1928-S 25c inverted S - do not think it is real
kevinj
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Studying the Lib Standing quarters
CP lists a 1928-S that they claim is an inverted S
I do not believe it is
1. All known specimens are highly worn
2. The mint mark is in the high part of the field and usually wears quickly.
3. There are two known sizes of S mint marks on the 1928-S quarters, a large and a small.
4. The large S mint mark has a completely different font style.
5. On the Small 'S' mint mark, the top of the S from the back of the curve to the front of the serif is just a heartbeat wider than the bottom of the S.
If you look at the photo in CP, the top of the S is much wider than the bottom of the S.
6. There is no S mint mark used on the SL25 series that has a much wider bottom than the top.
7. On the Small S, most of the bottom, curve, and parts of the S, except for the upper and lower serifs are relatively thin.
In CP, the same parts are thick. Notice in CP, if you draw a line straight up through the curve, it is way inside. If you take a Small S, cut a line down from the upper serif to the lower curve, it is just a heart beat inside.
On PCGS coinfacts, there are three specimens listed as 1928-S inverted S.
Two of the have a different relative position to the star to the left, so either their exists more than one variety, or the more likely scenario is that the top of the S was flattened out due to wear and appears like a wider part of the S, giving the impression that it should be the bottom.
As the size and shape of the images do not match what an Small S should appear like, this is obviously a distorted S that was flattened down.
If anyone has an uncirculated specimen, that would be greatly appreciated to examine or present photographs.
Kevin
CP lists a 1928-S that they claim is an inverted S
I do not believe it is
1. All known specimens are highly worn
2. The mint mark is in the high part of the field and usually wears quickly.
3. There are two known sizes of S mint marks on the 1928-S quarters, a large and a small.
4. The large S mint mark has a completely different font style.
5. On the Small 'S' mint mark, the top of the S from the back of the curve to the front of the serif is just a heartbeat wider than the bottom of the S.
If you look at the photo in CP, the top of the S is much wider than the bottom of the S.
6. There is no S mint mark used on the SL25 series that has a much wider bottom than the top.
7. On the Small S, most of the bottom, curve, and parts of the S, except for the upper and lower serifs are relatively thin.
In CP, the same parts are thick. Notice in CP, if you draw a line straight up through the curve, it is way inside. If you take a Small S, cut a line down from the upper serif to the lower curve, it is just a heart beat inside.
On PCGS coinfacts, there are three specimens listed as 1928-S inverted S.
Two of the have a different relative position to the star to the left, so either their exists more than one variety, or the more likely scenario is that the top of the S was flattened out due to wear and appears like a wider part of the S, giving the impression that it should be the bottom.
As the size and shape of the images do not match what an Small S should appear like, this is obviously a distorted S that was flattened down.
If anyone has an uncirculated specimen, that would be greatly appreciated to examine or present photographs.
Kevin
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I can email the photos to someone to add, for some reason the interface to add photos is not coming up
oldcollectorcoins@gmail.com
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The two photos on the left are from CoinFacts and are 1928-S quarters that are listed as inverted S.
The photo on the right is a normal 1928-S quarter.
Kevin
Thanks Lance
The two photos on the left are from CoinFacts and are 1928-S quarters that are listed as inverted S.
The photo on the right is a normal 1928-S quarter.
Kevin
I believe you are mistaken, the bottom left is the regular example and the top right should be
be the CP inverted example and the top left another normal example. So whats new then?
The left and center photos were certified by PCGS as 1928-S inverted S. These are different as they are in different relative positions to the star.
The right photo was certified by PCGS as just an S
The important one is the normal Small S, which base has a width from the outside of the serif to the curve just a tad wider than the upper half.
On the photo in CP, the top half is much wider than the bottom half.
This is because the top half of the S is clearly worn down and widened giving the perception of being the bottom.
But no S in the SL25 series has a base that is that much wider than the top.
does the new arrangement help.
do they need re-adjusted?
w/o piling on, when i skirted these a while back. they seemed a lil questionable but i didnt go far with it and need to look at many more high grade ones to feel comfortable.
bought what i think is an inverted s and an s/s low grade (2 separate cojns) a while back but either didnt list them or didnt feel comfortable leaving them listed.
will try to find my billboard size images of the mm for those coins.
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The problem here is different, the top half is a mirror reflection of the bottom half, the curvature, shape, size, angle of the upper serif is the exact same as the lower serif. The upper and lower curves and exactly the same, the center is the same if you flip over and overlay, no difference.
In PCGS coin facts, there are 3 1944-S half dollars listed as inverted S, all are high grade. All show a different relative position between the S and rock to the right.
Of course, it is always possible that if the mint mark punch is tilted, one side of the mint mark will appear larger than the other, and perhaps wider.
But the photo in CP shows no indications of inversion.
Kevin
You can rotate a regular S coin 180 and it will match the inverted S pic.