How Can an X-Out Box Be FASC?

lamontcarter

1984 topps football

Am I missing something on the concept. Wouldn't the case have to be opened to be marked?

Thanks.

Scott

BaltimoreYankee

Well, technically every box and card is 'from' a sealed case ;-)

baz518

Even though X-outs were returned boxes, Topps repackaged them and sold them at a cheaper price (usually in bulk). While some collectors probably don't think that type of box is worth the FASC premium, it usually doesn't carry near the same premium of non X-outs FASC... especially with football.

ndleo

Did Topps always X-out the returns boxes? Football has the biggest issue with this since it seems like there were a lot of football returns from 1981-1988. I think there are some good buys there since a lot of boxes were just unsold boxes at retail and not necessarily searched.

grote15

I've always felt that an x-out box by definition should not be designated FASC. The box may very well be original, but as these were vendor returns, there is no guarantee as retail sellers would also place loose packs in boxes to fill them before returning them to Topps.

billwaltonsbeard

As previously discussed, there is no way to tell whether or not an 'X out box' contains packs as they were when they left the production line. So the answer is no, they should not be considered from a sealed case.

.........edited to add.........I wouldn't be concerned about them being searched, since I doubt there was much of that going on back in 84, 85 and 86. However, for collectors who want a box of packs that have most certainly never been touched by human hands, X-out boxes are not the way to go.

baz518

Originally posted by: ndleo

Did Topps always X-out the returns boxes? Football has the biggest issue with this since it seems like there were a lot of football returns from 1981-1988. I think there are some good buys there since a lot of boxes were just unsold boxes at retail and not necessarily searched.

With football and non-sport, I know they did... at least in the 80s... but I don't recall ever seeing a baseball box X'd out. Baseball cards were much more popular in that period... so I would think it's either a matter of returns being minimal or instead of repackaging them and selling them, they had certain vendors that would buy up their returns/leftovers/miswraps/etc in bulk (like Fritsch or Marchant Cards).

grote15

Baseball x out boxes are most common from 1981 forward.

UncleTwoPillow

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From A Previously Owned Then Returned Later Redistributed With Black X On Box Case.



Problem solved.

ChiefsFan1st

I can see the argument both ways on the fasc label on x-out boxes. I lean towards the argument that Topps employees reassembled (assumably) sealed packs from many different retail stores to make these boxes. And, we the public know they stand a strong chance of being reassembled boxes from the manufacturer due to the black markings on the box.

As long as the x-out /black markings are visable, and it was in fact a sealed case from the manufacturer, I say FASC. Of course, thats just my $.02


But with that said, this particular box I have a lot of questions about and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole without the guys at BBCE giving it a "Re-Blessing". I dont really want to get into details and be wrong. I just dont like a lot of stuff I see (or dont see) in the pics. That is also my $.02

jsanz

I started a thread on this before. I do not think X / black mark boxes should be FASC. The case was originally sealed, opened, marked, and sealed again at a minimum. Then the question is how many people handled the packs/boxes before they were resealed with the X . Extra handling means more chances for the packs to have dinged corners inside. Another thing that nobody mentions that kind of bothers me is some of those X and black marks cover a large part of the box lid. It kind of ruins the visual aspect of the box. The thin black lines don't look as bad.

mlbfan2

As long as anyone selling such a box posts a photo of it or mentions that it's an X-out, then I don't think it really makes a difference.



I call it LEFASC (LE = low-end)