Neat Coin Club Cherrypick - 1843 FS-301 Half Dime

StrikeOutXXX

Picked this up from another dealer unattributed.

FS-H10-1843-301 (000.06) Valentine 6a - Repunched Date

Probably on that VG/F border, and not super valuable, but always love finding CPG varieties.

Question for the Half Dime specialists - CPG has this as a URS8 (65-125 known), yet very little premium. CPG states: "High-grade examples are always in demand. This is a well-known RPD, and very popular among Liberty Seated specialists."

NGC has ONE certified (45) and PCGS has certified FOUR (4, 15, 50, & 53).

Is this just a case of too little value to be certified, too minor of a variety, and not really that collectible? Are circulated raw examples really "Popular" with Liberty Seated specialists as the CPG alludes to?

mannie gray

I think it's cool. I've always been very interested in repunched dates.

However, I can't get interested in the "dates in denticles" coins, no matter how hard I try......

amwldcoin

I bet that coin would grade F-15 if it's not cleaned!



Edit to add: Acetone will probably removed most of that crap around ED in United.

DCW

Nice pick!
I'd guess that you are correct in thinking that slabbing fees would take all the value out of the coin, hence the low population.

fastfreddie

That's pretty good contrast of a repunched date for a common half dime. It's not a series I follow closely. Even though it's not listed as a variety in the price guide, I think it's a neat variety that I wish more seated quarters had. I don't think you'll find many 6a's for sale.



Freddie

keyman64

That is a dealer that seems like he never looks at the coins he is selling. Hard to miss that! Congrats!

StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: keyman64
That is a dealer that seems like he never looks at the coins he is selling. Hard to miss that! Congrats!

You know what's funny - he sits next to me at the coin club dealer table, he helps me at coin shows at my own table, and I consider him a good friend. He is the same guy I bought the box of oddities from that the 1919 DDO was in.

So when the auction part of the meeting started, I had a big stretch of not-interested coins, so I asked him if anything was new on his side of the table I hadn't looked at before - he said yea, these 2 rows I just dropped out of my 4th sets and first time here. So went through them all, saw that said I'd take it.

After the $ changed hands, I said ok, now look at the date again. He said crap, I missed it, but what is it?. I teased him that don't worry - this one won't get our names on the cover of Coin World again, but I think it's a small premium if you want a little more. He said just take it, I missed it, your gain (I mean we're talking like maybe $5-10 difference here).

TwoSides2aCoin

blame the dealer.

MrHalfDime

The Valentine 1843 V6a Liberty Seated half dime is a very interesting, and somewhat scarce, variety. The date is, as seen on your example, strongly repunched at all four digits, suggesting the use of a four digit gang punch, or logotype. The repunching is seen most strongly below the final digits. Since the first punching was tilted, lower at the left hand side, the repunching is seen most pronounced at the 1, and becomes successively less evident across the date.

In over 30 years of specializing in and studying half dimes, exclusively, I have accumulated seven (7) examples of the 1843/1843 V6a half dime, but this is perhaps a bit misleading. I was looking specifically for varieties of this sort, to the exclusion of everything else. They are perhaps more scarce than my seven examples would suggest. In the last Liberty Seated Half Dime census survey, officially sanctioned and compiled by the LSCC in 2005, there were just 27 examples of this die marriage reported, including just one (1) in mint state, six (6) in AU, nine (9) in EF, nine (9) in VF, and one example each in grades of F and G. There are most certainly many others, either unattributed as the V6a, or perhaps of a later die state where the evidence of the repunching is worn from the obverse die.

What depresses the value of this and many other Liberty Seated half dimes is the fact that it is such a thinly collected series, with few devotees who seek, attribute, and collect the varieties. And for the very few who do, they all have an example. But what will help the value and interest for such varieties is collectors like yourself, who identify and publish finds such as yours. As others here have suggested, it is an interesting, even eyeball variety (or at least as close as you are going to get to an eyeball variety for such a small coin). The premium that this coin will garner over a generic 1843 half dime may be small, but photos and descriptions such as yours will improve that over time.

oih82w8

A friend of mine gave me my first variety coin as a Secret Santa gift four years ago. It was cleaned previously, but I had it slabbed and Attributed through ANACS for sentimental sake.



It is an 1839 O/O 10C No Drapery RPM FS-501 (FS-003.28) (Greer-102) (Fortin-104a)



I have been hooked on varieties since!



I don't let the seller know that I have cherry-picked from them as it could lead to "sour grapes". Although I have let several sellers know that they have a variety on numerous occasions.



Nice find!

keyman64

Originally posted by: StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: keyman64

That is a dealer that seems like he never looks at the coins he is selling. Hard to miss that! Congrats!

You know what's funny - he sits next to me at the coin club dealer table, he helps me at coin shows at my own table, and I consider him a good friend. He is the same guy I bought the box of oddities from that the 1919 DDO was in.



So when the auction part of the meeting started, I had a big stretch of not-interested coins, so I asked him if anything was new on his side of the table I hadn't looked at before - he said yea, these 2 rows I just dropped out of my 4th sets and first time here. So went through them all, saw that said I'd take it.



After the $ changed hands, I said ok, now look at the date again. He said crap, I missed it, but what is it?. I teased him that don't worry - this one won't get our names on the cover of Coin World again, but I think it's a small premium if you want a little more. He said just take it, I missed it, your gain (I mean we're talking like maybe $5-10 difference here).

Lol, good story!

StrikeOutXXX

Originally posted by: oih82w8
A friend of mine gave me my first variety coin as a Secret Santa gift four years ago. It was cleaned previously, but I had it slabbed and Attributed through ANACS for sentimental sake.

It is an 1839 O/O 10C No Drapery RPM FS-501 (FS-003.28) (Greer-102) (Fortin-104a)

I have been hooked on varieties since!

I don't let the seller know that I have cherry-picked from them as it could lead to "sour grapes". Although I have let several sellers know that they have a variety on numerous occasions.

Nice find!

I don't tell anyone either except him. He was my mentor when I got into the selling part of things, works my table with me, and like I said is a good friend. The few dollar difference varieties are one thing (And he has gotten his share of deals from me in the past too) - the big things we deal with he has been very happy with - he still can't believe his share of the proceeds from the 1919 DDO that he originally said I can have it for $3.00 LOL.

oih82w8

I just re-read the OP...there are some who feel that they don't need TPG Attribution because they know "what they got". Which is fine by me, that is there prerogative.



But when it comes to the PCGS Registry, it is not considered unless it has been attributed through PCGS. Example: I have a in PCGS MS65 CAC that I am trying to sell. One persistent, potential buyer, keeps offering low bids saying that it is a "common" variety. According to PCGS Coin Facts, there is ONE...this one. Additionally, Gerry Fortin has this variety listed as a R4 on his website, which I would not consider "common".



If you want to have it sent out for encapsulation and variety attribution, that choice is up to you. I mentioned earlier that I sent my first variety to ANACS for slabbing and variety attribution because it means something to me and I don't plan on parting with it, even though it is cleaned, it has sentimental value and it is a little harder to misplace (or damage) the coin in the slab than it is being loose or in a 2 X 2.