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Recently I submitted The cards from the Beckett book "300 Great Baseball Cards of the 20th Century" Which was published in 1999 for a Registry Set ... I would like to have the set Weighted but with some many years ,cards and $ value it is kind of tough as to where to go with this one ... Any help would be appreciated... Not to open an old can of worms but this is a set that cries out for a 1-25 weighting.... Here are the cards in the set:

1909 T204 Ramly Walter Johnson
1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb (Green BAckground)
1909-11 T206 Eddie Plank
1909-11 T206 Cy Young (Cleveland Bare hand shows)
1909-11 T206 Sherry Magee
1909-11 T206 Honus Wagner
1909-11 T206 Christy Mathewson (PortrAIT)
1911 T205 Gold Border Joe Tinker
1911 T205 Gold Border Johnny Evers
1911 T205 Gold Borders Frank Chance
1912 T202 Hassan Cigarettes Triple Folder Charles O'Leary/Ty Cobb
1912 T207 Tris Speaker
1912 T 207 Buck Weaver
1913 Tom BArker Baseball Game Joe Jackson
1914 Cracker Jack #103 Joe JAckson
1914 Cracker Jack #30 Ty Cobb
1915 M101-5 Sporting News Babe Ruth
1921 Neilson's Chocolate #37 Babe Ruth
1921 Neilson's Chocolate #81 Rogers Hornsby
1928 F52 Fro Joy Babe Ruth- Ruth is a crack Fielder
1932 U.S. Caramel #11 Rogers Hornsby
1932 U.S. Caramel #26 Lou Gehrig
1932 U.S. Caramel #2 Paul (Big Poison) Waner
1932 U.S. Caramel #13 Lloyd (Little Poison) WAner
1933 Delong #7 Lou Gehrig
1933 Goudey #106 Napoleon (Larry) Lajoie
1933 Goudey #223 Dizzy Dean
1933 Goudey #53 Babe Ruth
1933 Goudey #144 Babe Ruth
1933 Goudey #149 Babe Ruth
1933 Goudey #181 Babe Ruth
1933 Goudey #211 Hack Wilson
1933 Goudey #92 Lou Gehrig
1933 Goudey #160 Lou Gehrig
1934 Goudey #37 Lou Gehrig
1934 Goudey #61 Lou Gehrig
1934 Goudey #62 Hank Greenberg
1934-36 Diamond Stars #9 Mickey Cochrane
1934-36 Diamond Stars #66 "Ducky" Medwick
1935 Goudey Puzzle Backs Ruth, McMAnus,Brandt, Maranville
1936 World Wide Gum #51 Joe DiMaggio
1936 World Wide Gum #42 Charlie Gehringer
1937 O-Pee-Chee Batter Up #118 Joe DiMaggio
1938 Goudey Heads Up #288 Bob Feller
1938 Goudey Heads Up #274 Joe DiMaggio
1939 Playball #26 Joe DiMaggio
1939 Playball #92 Ted Williams
1940 Playball #1 Joe DiMaggio
1940 Playball #27 Ted Williams
1941 Playball #54 Pee Wee Reese
1941 Goudey #33 Mel Ott
1941 Playball #71 Joe DiMaggio
1941 Playball #14 Ted Williams
1941 Playball #19 Charley Gehringer
1948 Swell Gum Sports Thrills #12
1948 Bowman #8 Phil Rizzutto
1948 Bowman # 6 Yogi Berra
1948 Bowman #36 Stan Musial
1949 Leaf #70 John Wagner
1949 Leaf #3 Babe Ruth
1949 Leaf #1 Joe DiMaggio
1949 Leaf #8 Leroy Paige
1949 Leaf #4 Stan Musial
1949 Leaf #76 Ted Williams
1949 Leaf # 79 Jackie Robinson
1949 Bowman #24 Stan Musial
1949 Bowman #226 Duke Snider
1949 Bowman #84 Roy Campanella
1949 Bowman #224 Satchel Paige
1949 Bowman #142 Eddie Waitkus
1950 Bownan # 22 Jackie Robinson
1950 Bowman # 98 Ted Williams
1950 Bowman #46 Yogi Berra
1951 Bowman #1 Whitey Ford
1951 Bowman #2 Yogi Berra
1951 Bowman #78 Early Wynn
1951 Bowman # 122 Joe Garagiola
1951 Bowman #134 Warren Spahn
1951 Bowman #253 Mickey Mantle
1951 Bowman #305 Willie Mays
1951 Bowman #165 Ted Williams
1951 Bowman #151 Larry Doby
1951 Topps Red Back #1 Yogi Berra
1952 Topps #1 Andy Pafko
1952 Topps #11 Phil Rizzuto
1952 Topps #31 Gus Zernial
1952 Topps #88 Bob Feller
1952 Topps #175 Billy Martin
1952 Topps #261 Willie MAys
1952 Topps #312 Jackie Robinson
1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle
1952 Topps #407 Eddie Matthews
1952 Bowman #218 Willie Mays
1952 Bowman #116 Duke Snider
1952 Bowman #101 Mickey Mantle
1953 Bowman Color #32 Stan Musial
1953 Bowman Color #33 Pee Wee Reese
1953 Bowman Color #59 Mickey Mantle
1953 Bowman Color #44 Yogi Berra,Hank Bauer,Mickey Mantle
1953 Topps #82 Mickey Mantle
1953 Topps #1 Jackie Robinson
1953 Topps #104 Yogi Berra
1953 Topps #244 Willie Mays
1953 Topps #220 Satchell Paige
1954 Red Heart Stan Musial
1954 Wilson Weiners Roy Campanella
1954 Wilson Weiners Gil Hodges
1954 Bowman #65 Mickey Mantle
1954 Bowman #6 Nelson Fox
1954 Bowman #66A Ted Williams
1954 Bowman #170 Duke Snider
1954 Bowman #89 Willie MAys
1954 Topps #1 Ted Williams
1954 Topps #250 Ted Williams
1954 Topps #128 Hank Aaron
1954 Topps #201 Al Kaline
1954 Topps #10 Jackie Robinson
1954 Topps #139 O'Brien Brothers
1954 Topps #132 Tommy Lasorda
1954 Topps #94 Ernie Banks
1955 Bowman #179 Hank Aaron
1955 Bowman #202 Mickey Mantle
1955 Bowman #303 Jocko Conlan
1955 Topps #47 Hank Aaron
1955 Topps #164 Roberto Clemente
1955 Topps #152 Harry Agganis
1955 Topps #124 Harmon Killebrew
1956 Topps #123 Sandy Koufax
1956 Topps #135 Mickey MAntle
1956 Topps # 33 Roberto Clemente
1956 Topps #31 Hank Aaron
1957 Topps #10 Willie MAys
1957 Topps #20 Hank Aaron
1957 Topps #1 Ted Williams
1957 Topps #18 Don Drysdale
1957 Topps #165 Ted Kluszewski
1957 Topps #35 Frank Robinson
1957 Topps #95 Mickey Mantle
1957 Topps #407 Power Hitters (Mantle / Berra)
1957 Topps #328 Brooks Robinson
1957 Topps #284 Topps Don Zimmer
1958 Topps #47 Roger Maris
1958 Topps #476 Topps Stan Musial All-Star
1958 Topps #418 World Series Batting Foes
1958 Topps #487 Mickey Mantle All -Star
1959 Topps #338 George Anderson
1959 Topps #464 May's Catch Makes Series History
1959 Topps #514 Bob Gibson
1959 Topps #550 Roy Campanella "Symbol of Courage"
1959 Fleer Ted Williams #68 Ted Signs for 1959
1960 Topps #563 Mickey Mantle
1960 Topps #148 Carl Yastrzemski
1960 Topps #316 Willie McCovey
1960 Fleer #72 Ted Williams
1961 Topps #2 Roger Maris
1961 Topps #141 Billy Williams
1961 Topps #402 "Larsen Pitches Perfect Game"
1961 Topps #401 " Ruth Hits 60th Homer"
1962 Topps # 1 Roger MAris
1962 Topps #140 Gehrig And Ruth
1962 Topps #18 "Managers Dream" Mantle/Mays
1962 Topps #200 Mickey Mantle
1962 Topps #218 Joe Torre
1962 Topps #300 Willie MAys
1962 Topps #387 Lou Brock
1962 Topps #313 "MAris Blasts 61st"
1962 Post #6 Roger Maris
1963 Topps #250 Stan Musial
1963 Topps # 537 "1963 Rookie Stars" (Pete Rose)
1964 Topps #324 Casey Stengel
1964 Topps #423 "Tops in NL" Aaron /MAys
1965 Topps #134 "MAntle's Clutch Homer"
1965 Topps #477 " CArds Rookies" (Steve Carlton)
1965 Topps #16 "1965 Rookie Stars" (Joe Morgan)
1965 Topps #526 "Athletic Rookies" ( Jim CAtfish Hunter)
1966 Topps #100 Sandy Koufax
1966 Topps #1 Willie MAys
1966 Topps #365 Roger Maris
1966 Topps #126 Jim Palmer
1967 Topps #5 Whitey Ford
1967 Topps #150 Mickey Mantle
1967 Topps #581 "Mets Rookie Stars" (Tom Seaver)
1967 Topps #569 "AL Rookie Stars" (Rod Carew)
1968 Topps #40 Denny McLain
1968 Topps #247 "1968 Rookie Stars" (Johnny Bench)
1968 Topps #177 "1968 Rookie Stars" (Nolan Ryan)
1968 Topps # 100 Bob Gibson
1969 Topps #95 Johnny Bench
1969 Topps #162 "1968 World Series GAme #1" (Bob Gibson)
1969 Topps #480 Tom Seaver
1969 Topps #260 Reggie Jackson
1969 Topps #500B Mickey Mantle (White Letter Variation)
1969 Topps #533 Nolan Ryan
1969 Topps #650 Ted Williams
1970 Topps #189 Thurman Munson
1970 Topps #197 "Ryan Saves the Day"
1970 Topps #350 Roberto Clemente
1970 Topps #660 Johnny Bench
1970 Topps #500 Hank Aaron
1970 Kellogg's #27 Robertp Clemente
1971 Topps #5 Thurman Munson
1971 Topps #341 Steve Garvey
1971 Topps #525 Ernie BAnks
1972 Topps #79 "1972 Rookie Stars Red Sox" (Carlton Fisk)
1972 Topps #751 Steve Carlton "Traded"
1973 Topps #50 Roberto Clemente
1973 Topps #305 Willie Mays
1973 Topps #220 Nolan Ryan
1973 Topps #615 "1973 Rookie Third BAsemen" (Mike Schmidt)
1974 Topps #1 Hank Aaron
1974 Topps #55 Frank Robinson
1974 Topps #20 Nolan Ryan
1974 Topps #283 Mike Schmidt
1974 Topps #250 B Willie McCovey "Washington Nat'l League"
1974 Topps #456 Dave Winfield
1975 Topps #223 Robin Yount
1975 Topps #228 George Brett
1975 Topps #5 "Ryan Fans 300 - 3rd Year in a Row"
1975 Topps #407 Herb Washington
1975 Topps #640 Harmon Killebrew
1975 Topps # 1 "Aaron Sets Home Run MArk"
1976 Topps #550 Hank Aaron
1976 Topps #564 Kurt Bevacqua "Bubble Gum Blowing Champ"
1976 Topps #19 George Brett
1976 Topps #74T Oscar Gamble
1977 Topps #473 "Rookies Outfielders" (Andre Dawson)
1977 Topps #265 Mark Fidrych
1977 Topps #476 Rookies CAtchers (Dale Murphy)
1978 Topps #36 Eddie Murray
1978 Topps # 707 "78 Rookie Shortstops" (Paul Molitor/ Alan Trammell)
1979 Topps #116 Ozzie Smith
1979 Topps #115 Nolan Ryan
1979 Topps #24 Paul Molitor
1979 Topps #310 Thurman Munson
1980 Topps #482 Rickey Henderson
1980 Topps #450 George Brett
1981 Topps #302 "Dodgers Future Stars" (Fernando Valenzuela)
1981 Donruss #538 Tim Raines
1981 Donruss #537 "Best Hitters" (George Brett /Rod CArew)
1982 Topps Traded #109T Ozzie Smith
1982 Topps Traded #98 T CAl Ripken
1982 Topps #21 "Baltimore Orioles Future Stars"
1982 Fleer #176 Cal Ripken Jr
1982 Donruss #405 Cal Rpken JR
1983 Fleer #360 Tony Gwynn
1983 Topps #83 Ryne Sandberg
1983 Topps #482 Tony Gwynn
1983 Topps Wade Boggs #498
1984 Donruss #248 Don MAttingly
1984 Fleer Update #U43 Dwight Gooden
1984 Fleer Update #U27 Roger Clemens
1984 Fleer Update #U93 Kirby Puckett
1985 Topps #181 Roger Clemens
1985 Topps #401 MArk McGwire
1985 Donruss #273 Roger Clemens
1985 Donruss #424 Tom Seaver (Correct)
1985 Fleer #155 Roger Clemens
1986 Fleer All-Stars #5 Cal Ripken Jr
1986 Donruss #39 Jose Canseco
1986 Topps Traded #20 T Jose Caneco
1987 Fleer #604 Bobby Bonds
1987 Donruss #46 Mark McGwire
1987 Donruss #36 Greg Maddux
1987 Fleer Update #U76 MArk McGwire
1987 Fleeer Update #U68 Greg Maddux
1988 Score Rookie Traded #105 T Roberto Alomar
1989 Donruss #33 Ken Griffey Jr
1989 Donruss Baseball's Best #324 Sammy Sosa
1989 Fleer #548 Ken Griffey Jr
1989 Score Rookie/Traded #100T Ken Griffey Jr
1989 Uppper Deck #1 Ken Griffey Jr
1989 Upper Deck #25 Randy Johnson
1989 Upper Deck #300 Mark McGwire
1989 Upper Deck #666 World Series (Kirk Gibson)
1990 Score #697 Bo Jackson
1990 Leaf #220 Sammy Sosa
1990 Leaf #300 Frank Thomas
1990 Upper deck #AU1 Reggie Jackson Autograph
1990 Topps #414 Frank Thomas
1991 Stadium Club #388 Jeff Bagwell
1991 Topps Chipper Jones #333
1991 Bowman #272 Ivan Rodriguez
1991 Bowman #569 Chipper Jones
1991 Ultra Update #55 Juan Gonzalez
1992 Score Joe DiMaggio Autograph
1992 Topps Traded #39T Nomar Garciaparra
1992 Fleer Update #92 Mike Piazza
1992 Bowman #461 Mike Piazza
1993 SP #279 Derek Jeter
1994 SP #15 Alex Rodriguez
1994 Upper Deck #GM1 Ken Griffey Jr/Mickey Mantle Autograph
1994 Collectors Choice #661 Micheal Jordan
1996 Leaf Signature Series Extended Sammy Sosa Autograph
1996 Topps #7 Mickey Mantle
1997 Upper Deck GAme Jersey #GJ1 Ken Griffey Jr
1998 Pacific " IN the Cage" #13 MArk McGwire
1999 Upper Deck A Piece of History 500 Club Jimmie Fox Game Used Bat
1999 Upper Deck A Piece of History Babe Ruth Game Used Bat
1999 Topps #220 Mark McGwire Home Rune #70

Jeff
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... it's about learning to dance in the rain.

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    VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    Wow! Nine cards from the 1951 Bowman set . . . There are a few of those 51's that should definitely be deleted from the list (Early Wynn for instance).


    (Ouch . . . terrible typo corrected)
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    VArgha,

    Here is What Beckett had to say about the 1951 Bowman Wynn card- "It's been said about Early Wynn that he would have thrown at his grandmother if she crowded the plate on him. Here the 300 game winner and HOFer appears to be lining up for just such a buzz pitch for grandma"

    Any thoughts on where to go with Weighting?

    Jeff
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... it's about learning to dance in the rain.
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    PlayBallPlayBall Posts: 463 ✭✭✭

    This post deserves a reply for the time it took to create it.image

    A weighting scale of 1-25 may not even be enough for this one. The big boy vintage cards are more than 25x the value/rarity, of say, a 1994 SP Rodriguez. If it is possible, maybe they should first weight the sets on a 1-10 scale, and then the individual cards 1-25. This could make a T206 Wagner PSA 8 250x the weight of a 1994 SP Rodriguez PSA 8. For specifics, I defer to the wiser collectors on these boards. Don't know the feasibility, but just a thought.

    BC
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    NickMNickM Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭
    Vargha - you would dump Early Wynn before Joe Garagiola?????

    I can't believe that the rookie cards of HOFers such as Ralph Kiner, Robin Roberts, and Jim Bunning, plus such major rarities as the '63 Fleer Joe Adc ock [stupid censoring software], are not listed, but an Upper Deck Collector's Choice Michael Jordan is. image

    With this set, I don't even think 1 to 250 does it justice. It has cards I can pick up at any dealer for a dollar or two in Mint condition, and cards that are almost impossible to find in any condition.

    Nick
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    VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    I was pretty tired last night. Garagiola would be the first to go. Also, since Bowman basically duplicated many pictures from 1950 to 1951, cards like Ted Williams are almost identical in appearance. Finally (maybe), having once owned the complete 1949 Bowman set, I can say that the Campanella card from that set is one of the ugliest cards ever printed. The 1951 Campy and Snider cards completely outshine their 1949 rookie counterparts.
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    Guys ,

    I would like to continue the debate in two separate threads ....

    1.) Weighting on the set as it is

    2.) Debate on the cards in the set ....

    I am Establishing two separate threads ... Just an aside the debate about which cards belong and do not is the reason I love this book it is a great conversation starter among people in our hobby ... No I do not agree with all the author's choices for cards but nobody would thanks for your interest in this thread I will respond to the the authors description of individual cards in the debate thread....

    Jeff
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass... it's about learning to dance in the rain.
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