Possible transposition in price at BBCE for '86 football wax box

1957Braves

Did they mean to price it at $1250? I'm saying this sarcastically. I can believe there are going for this much now. Weren't they like $800 or so like six months ago? Have I been asleep at the wheel?

mknez

Their buy price is up to $800 for that box.

1957Braves

I saw that. Anyone have any theories on the parabolic price increase?

ldferg

Yes, you've been asleep.

1957Braves

There's the answer.

jfkheat

Recent Ebay sales of BBCE wrapped boxes are around $1600 or more.

James



I just looked and BBCE has their box priced at $2150.

James

rcmb3220

Just came here to post this. I don't remember what the price was on the case break here a few months back but it was way lower than $2150. Maybe everyone should have gotten one.

lseecon

there are 2 boxes from sealed case, non x outs on ebay...pwcc auction bid at $2,600 each

flatfoot816

yup--unopened is finally dead

UncleTwoPillow

So is rock and roll.

waxman2745

The thread was back in May and the price was $925 per box.

waxman2745

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waxman2745

$925 in May 2015, $2100 in Feb 2016. That's quite the price increase from only 9 months ago!

jsanz

I don't get it. Why is this jumping so fast and so high? This was not rare when it came out. It was sold everywhere. It was not very popular either as you can see by the amount of X/back mark boxes that were returned to Topps. My point is there is still a lot of it out there. Is demand really keeping up with or exceeding supply?

I can't think of anywhere else that I can "invest" $925 and almost double my money in less than a year. I have some money to invest and I hesitate to put it in cards but maybe I should reconsider.

jsanz

I just checked BBCE and there are no 1986 Topps FB boxes on the site. Did they sell that fast? There was a rack box for $2500 and that is gone too.

VintagemanEd

It seems crazy to me also.... I would think the 84's should start climbing
Some too then if the 86's are doing this

Nikklos

People are chasing that Rice because it is so hard. What an ugly set though. And the Rice is a pipe dream. Sort of like '93 SP Jeter boxes.

grote15

Chris is spot on. Rice and Young are super tough in PSA 10 grade. That is why there is such a premium for 86 over 84.

Nikklos

It kills me that I was going to card shows in 1986 with my paper route money and could have been loading up on Topps football and Fleer basketball. I was too busy trying to pull Vince Coleman rookies though.

MULLINS5

Originally posted by: jsanz

I can't think of anywhere else that I can "invest" $925 and almost double my money in less than a year.

Antiquarian books will bring at least 3x your investment within a year.



I don't know how to consistently make those kind of margins on sports cards, though I am sure plenty here do.

jsanz

I am sure if anyone here is making 3X their money on cards they are not sharing that info with the rest of us. If anyone has any tips on making decent money on cards I am here and ready to listen.

UncleTwoPillow

No. Absolutely not. Flipping these wax boxes is the only way.

miwlvrn

Originally posted by: jsanz

I am sure if anyone here is making 3X their money on cards they are not sharing that info with the rest of us. If anyone has any tips on making decent money on cards I am here and ready to listen.

Happens all the time, 3x the investment, 10x, or even more, with lots of people here, when good hits result from sending the right raw cards in for grading. It is of course very easy to lose in the same manner when subbing items though.

lseecon

I think you are underestimating how little 86 football product is out there. As pointed out by Nikklos, 95% of us were buying baseball cards and trying to pull Canseco Rookies (from fleer and donruss) and Coleman from topps. Very few folks were buying football or basketball. I am sure there were 20 (or maybe 100) baseball boxes produced by Topps for every one football box. How many of us kept a 1986 football box from the 1980s? Even though there were lots of x outs and returns, that doesnt mean there was alot produced. It means that there was way less demand from consumers in 1986 for football cards. Collectors are starting to realize this. Plus the football set is i think only has 396 cards and the packs are 17 cards to a pack so you have a very high probability of pulling multiple Rices and Youngs in a box and I think the collation may not be the best so on a lucky box, maybe you get 4-5 Rices (could also get zero).
I am no 86 football expert, but perhaps those who are can chime in, but I think there are other high dollar PSA 10 cards in the set, such as Reggie White, that can bring big bucks.

Plus as has been discussed here numerous times before. Part of the value in unopened is the lure of the unopened product itself. Demand for unopened 86 football apparently exceeded available supply at the 1,000 price point and now its trending well over $2,000. I wonder if folks who bought at 1000 bought to open or bought to keep unopened.

Does anyone have a case lying around? Probably not too many unopened cases still around.

ChiefsFan1st

Originally posted by: lseecon
I think you are underestimating how little 86 football product is out there. As pointed out by Nikklos, 95% of us were buying baseball cards and trying to pull Canseco Rookies (from fleer and donruss) and Coleman from topps. Very few folks were buying football or basketball. I am sure there were 20 (or maybe 100) baseball boxes produced by Topps for every one football box. How many of us kept a 1986 football box from the 1980s? Even though there were lots of x outs and returns, that doesnt mean there was alot produced. It means that there was way less demand from consumers in 1986 for football cards. Collectors are starting to realize this. Plus the football set is i think only has 396 cards and the packs are 17 cards to a pack so you have a very high probability of pulling multiple Rices and Youngs in a box and I think the collation may not be the best so on a lucky box, maybe you get 4-5 Rices (could also get zero).
I am no 86 football expert, but perhaps those who are can chime in, but I think there are other high dollar PSA 10 cards in the set, such as Reggie White, that can bring big bucks.

Plus as has been discussed here numerous times before. Part of the value in unopened is the lure of the unopened product itself. Demand for unopened 86 football apparently exceeded available supply at the 1,000 price point and now its trending well over $2,000. I wonder if folks who bought at 1000 bought to open or bought to keep unopened.

Does anyone have a case lying around? Probably not too many unopened cases still around.

Most excellent post

I will throw my .02 in here as well

"Very few folks were buying football or basketball"

Me, being a child of the 80's I completly agree with this. I would also add that Beckett price guide was what got most of us kids looking at the "other sports". I loved the sport of football, but it didn't have a "Beckett" price guide, therefore, it was worthless. That was our thinking back in the day (at least in my neighborhood)

"but I think there are other high dollar PSA 10 cards in the set, such as Reggie White, that can bring big bucks"

Steve Young comes to mind here. I have not really researched it much, so I may be wrong. But I would guess a Young PSA 10 would bring more than a Rice. From my limited experience, that Young is TUFF!

"Plus as has been discussed here numerous times before. Part of the value in unopened is the lure of the unopened product itself"

This is the biggest part that people that dont collect unopened really dont get. Im an unopened collector, and I assume that every card in that pack/box is a PSA 10 and nobody can prove me wrong ...until I open it. I know its not, but...

Does anyone have a case lying around

I would say your right in thinking that not many have a case laying around, but... I know of at least 2 cases of Wax right here on this board. They do exist. Im not sure he still has them, or ,to be honest, if this guy even posts here anymore (I haven't posted here in some time ) I dont know how to check members last login anymore.

shayne54

Wow those PWCC boxes are at $2900 a piece with (3) days left. That is just crazy. I am sitting on a BBCE 1986 topps football cello box. Might be time to put that up on ebay.