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I recently purchased a 1956 Topps Jackie Robinson white back card graded 60/EX 5 by SGC. My eventual plan is to crack out and submit to PSA. Since I'm not very familiar with SGC, I was curious to see what some of you folks thought about their general reputation and possible history of crackouts and crossover success/failure rate to PSA.

Thx in advance!
-Collecting anything vintage

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  • ugaskidawgugaskidawg Posts: 882 ✭✭✭
    SGC has a very high reputation, especially with the vintage card market. I personally like SGC for vintage cards--especially pre-1960--because the cards pop with color. You'll see all over this board and others that there are mixed reviews on the crossover grading comparison. Sometimes you get a lower grade and other times it comes in at the same level. Some people say you have a better chance of cracking the case and submitting as a raw card.



    Is there a reason you want to cross it over?
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    In my personal opinion SGC standards are as strict if not sticker than PSA so it is quite possible you may get a higher

    Grade from PSA.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SGC does not seem to be as strict on centering, in all other aspects I consider them fairly equal in grading quality/consistency.
  • JimMeantJimMeant Posts: 341 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ugaskidawg
    SGC has a very high reputation, especially with the vintage card market. I personally like SGC for vintage cards--especially pre-1960--because the cards pop with color. You'll see all over this board and others that there are mixed reviews on the crossover grading comparison. Sometimes you get a lower grade and other times it comes in at the same level. Some people say you have a better chance of cracking the case and submitting as a raw card.

    Is there a reason you want to cross it over?


    Probably has to do as much with me being OCD as much as anything else. I probably own 300-400 Psa graded cards and nothing from any of the other grading companies. I'd just prefer my collection to be uniform is all.
    -Collecting anything vintage
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    Can you post a scan?
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  • JimMeantJimMeant Posts: 341 ✭✭✭
    I wish I knew how to post scans.
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  • ugaskidawgugaskidawg Posts: 882 ✭✭✭
    If you scan it or snap a picture and email it to me, I'll throw it up here for you. Just PM if interested
  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LarkinCollector
    SGC does not seem to be as strict on centering, in all other aspects I consider them fairly equal in grading quality/consistency.




    +1
  • ugaskidawgugaskidawg Posts: 882 ✭✭✭
    Here is the OP's SGC card...



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  • JimMeantJimMeant Posts: 341 ✭✭✭
    Big shout out to ugaskidawg for the assist in posting the pic of my card.

    Anybody have opinions on if it would crossover as a PSA 5?
    -Collecting anything vintage
  • PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭
    I think PSA would grade that a 5 as well. Nice card. Doug
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    5 is about right with either grader
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    Crazy question. Since it was a recent purchase, if you wanted a PSA 5, why didn't you just buy a PSA 5 in the first place. There's no shortage of them popping up on Ebay with several currently available and 15-20 recently sold ranging from $125 to $180. Even if you bought the poorly centered SGC 5 for $100, after you put more money into grading and shipping, the best you can hope for is a poorly centered PSA 5 which will sell at the low end of that $125 to $180 range. With the centering and what the left corners might look like under closer inspection, I would not waste any money trying to cross it. Sell it and put the money saved from the crossover attempt into buying a PSA 5.
  • JimMeantJimMeant Posts: 341 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: KbKards
    Crazy question. Since it was a recent purchase, if you wanted a PSA 5, why didn't you just buy a PSA 5 in the first place. There's no shortage of them popping up on Ebay with several currently available and 15-20 recently sold ranging from $125 to $180. Even if you bought the poorly centered SGC 5 for $100, after you put more money into grading and shipping, the best you can hope for is a poorly centered PSA 5 which will sell at the low end of that $125 to $180 range. With the centering and what the left corners might look like under closer inspection, I would not waste any money trying to cross it. Sell it and put the money saved from the crossover attempt into buying a PSA 5.


    I suppose that this comment deserves several responses:

    1. I was able to score a very good deal on this card, and with grading/shipping fees included I still think it would be cheaper than attempting to buy another version on eBay that are usually going for upwards of $150.

    2. I don't think this copy is poorly centered. I love the L/R centering and value that as paramount even over the thin top border on this particular version.

    3. Finally, when dealing with higher prices vintage cards, I always place a premium on having the card "in hand" and evaluating it that way as opposed to buying something online that may be more difficult to judge.

    -Collecting anything vintage
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    It's a total crap shoot. I personally don't like the centering and am with KbKards on this don't waste your time and money just
    find a nice copy already in a PSA 5.
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  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Would that not get a OC qualifier from PSA?
  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    SGC doesn't overdo the MIN SIZ grading mess that you might get with a regrade.

    "Molon Labe"

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Card's centering might not bother you, but even though I usually don't mind cards well centered side to side and high, this one is a little too high for my taste. On a "5" front can be 85/15 and not get OC.

    Glad you got a good deal! Nice looking card.

    While PSA is by no means perfect (MIN SIZE issue is a good point, this card looks good in that respect) I think they are a little tougher graders than SGC. Scan could be better. Darker background would help, top left corner looks almost rounded!?!?!? Send it in and see what happens.

    Good luck!!!
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  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    I've yet to send it a card for crossover am I right in saying that it cost $18 to have one card crossed to PSA?
  • You can cross as part of any of the service levels, including monthly specials.
  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    So on a 25 minimum card special, you can sub 24 regular cards and one crossover?
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PMKAY
    So on a 25 minimum card special, you can sub 24 regular cards and one crossover?


    No it has to be on a separate invoice.
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  • Correct. All of the same service type per order.
  • eagles33eagles33 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭
    I sent this for a crossover with a min grade of a 1. Psa called me and said they would only grade it authentic due to the paper loss. I have many cards in 1,2 and 3 holders with more paper loss. I'm trying to resub then I'll try a crack and resub. I was surprised it didn't crossover initially since sgc has a good reputation

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    Scans of most of my Misc rookies can be found <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.collectors.com/m...y&keyword1=Non%20major">here
  • natetrooknatetrook Posts: 613 ✭✭✭
    Centering is the biggest issue with SGC.
    You can avoid qualifiers and get a better straight grade.
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