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Mikefromchester

<< <i>Some collectors have shown disgust because I've asked them a couple times if they'd be willing to send 1st (since that's the only way I do trades).

I'm asking everyone to please reply with an answer to the following question.....would you be willing to send 1st if we worked out a deal (more expensive deals could be sent insured, etc.)?

Please, just leave an answer (NOT a remark). For example, "I'd consider it", "Doesn't bother me to send 1st", "Don't like your rule", "Had no problems with our previous deal, so I have no problem sending 1st again", etc. If you aren't interested in trading with me now or in the future because of my rule, just feel free to tell me that (only). As always, I will completely understand

Also, if you WOULD consider sending 1st, feel free to check out my site and see if there's anything you are interested in. If someone's looking to buy some of my cards, of course, they will have to send money 1st (just like anyone else that buys stuff). If buying cards, then my rule will have NO effect on you. >>


co1lector


<< <i>collector, you're not doing yourself any favors by getting an attitude.

And for the record no, I would not trade with you, and I would encourage my fellow respected traders to do the same. >>


uwftke26

co1lector,
You asked for no remakes when you posted it, so I'm making my remake here. I hope it's okay.
Thanks, Mike


uwftke26,
"And for the record no, I would not trade with you,"

I have no problem with you answering, My friend (co1lector) question like that.

"and I would encourage my fellow respected traders to do the same."

But this part I'm not sure of, please clear this up for me.

Why would you encourage you fellow respected traders to do the same?

I disagree with you so doe's that make me not a respected traders? Of course not.
I see a lot of the respected traders answered his question with a no, like you. But I'm not gonna encourage them or you to change your mind. I respect everyone who said no or yes to this kids question. It appear this kid has been ripped off many times, so putting in this rule should stop this problem. Makes since to me (the rippers will not send first). I think by the response to his question, I think he knows a lot of respected traders out there is not gonna trade with him. But that the downside of his rule and, which I think he realize after asking these questions and not having more trades then he does.

For me this show, he's a respected trader in my book as well. I think most of the traders around here is well aware of this kids rule, if not it's in his sig. You may not like it so don't trade with him, go to the next post and spend 3 days working up a trade with another trader and agree to everything only to find out he has the same rule to, but he didn't let you know till you spent many hour's on the deal. It still your call if you want the trade, after spending all that time on it. Or go to the next post and work up a deal with that trader spend 3 days working on a trade and find he has a rule you have to send at the same time, sounds fair but he has only a couple refs you have many more. It still your call if you want the trade, after spending all that time on it. Or go on to the next post spend 3 days working on a trade and find he has the same rule send at same time and the same refs as you, sounds fair you mail it and he gets yours no poblem, but you still waiting for the cards the guy sent you. Only to find out he just said he was gonna send at the same time, but to be on the safe side he waited till he gets the cards and says oops I forgot I'll get them right out, I'm sorry. Or when his end arrives you see on the post office stamp, he did not really send when he said he was.
So, I have no problem with my friend (co1lector) rule, he puts it right out in the open to let us all know this is his rule, like it or don't trade with him, find another trader who don't give the rules or make them as clear as co1lector, till you waist a lot of time in it and then don't agree with their rules. But the only problem I have is keeping you (co1lector) and the other with the same name straight.

Ryan (uwftke26) and I have traded before with no problem, he is a respected traders.
Plus he's a very good friend, he even gave me a vote in the TOM.
Not the TOMFTTM. And I thank you for it. Also, I want to thank you and CE for all the great things you are doing for the kids, keep up the great work guys.

uwftke26

If a fellow good trader told me was wasn't sure if he should send first to collector, my advice to him would be not to, because there's no excuse for that. Lot's of people have been ripped off, it doesn't give them the right to then claim everyone is a bad trader in waiting and insist they send first.

And yes, by making everyone send first, collector is basically saying he trusts no one. If thats the case, why do any of us go to the trouble of collectng references?

Maybe collector needs to be more careful about who he trades with and he won't get ripped so often, intead of punishing those who would never think of ripping off anyone.

Ryan

Mikefromchester

<< <i>If a fellow good trader told me was wasn't sure if he should send first to collector, my advice to him would be not to, because there's no excuse for that. Lot's of people have been ripped off, it doesn't give them the right to then claim everyone is a bad trader in waiting and insist they send first.

And yes, by making everyone send first, collector is basically saying he trusts no one. If thats the case, why do any of us go to the trouble of collectng references?

Maybe collector needs to be more careful about who he trades with and he won't get ripped so often, intead of punishing those who would never think of ripping off anyone.

Ryan >>


Ryan
Thanks for clearing thing up for me. That was my take when I first got here and saw his rule. But since I had the Contest, I have came to know these kids better around here and I quess I have became a little soft.
If a fellow good trader told me he wasn't sure if he should send first to co1lector, My advice to him would be go ahead, I traded with him or I checked his references and everything's good. He has that rule which maybe some don't respect him for, but I have no problem with it cause the reason he has it he cannot afford to get ripped off no more and I myself would not mind sending first cause it may help restore his trust in his fellow trader. But many out there does not see it that way so it's really your call. Good luck, Mike

Thanks and keep looking out for those kids at the Children Hospitals over at CE, they need all the support we can give, Mike

co1lector

Well, if someone doesn't want to send to me because of my rule, THAT'S fine.

If someone is unsure about sending to me, they can check my references, or just post and have my REFERENCES to reply with what happened with our trades.

If you are NOT a reference, and I haven't ripped you off, I don't see how someone has the right to tell someone that they shouldn't trade with me. Being a rip-off is one thing, but just because a particular person doesn't like my rule tells someone else not to send to me, that's just uncalled for.

8kobe

Just to let you know col1ector I don't have anythign against you personally. I understand why you require for people to send first, but there is more to a good trader then getting the cards to the other person. I think that if the other person can supply you with as many or more references then you can then you should send at the same time. That is just having good card trading ethics.

uwftke26

I never mean to imply that I think collector is a scammer, and if you send first to him he will rip you off. I just find it to a misguided, extremely rude policy.

Mikefromchester

<< <i>I never mean to imply that I think collector is a scammer, and if you send first to him he will rip
you off. I just find it to a misguided, extremely rude policy. >>



Ryan,
Fair enough with your statement.

But, I just find it to be a misguided, extremely rude policy to
encourage anyone not to trade with anyone just because you happen not to agree with their rules.
There are reason for rules, you can play and follow their rules or play and break their rules or if you
don't agree with the rules one puts out there you can chose not to play at all with them. It's your call,
if you think it's serving a purpose by encouraging people not to trade with my friend co1lector,
so be it, but I find it to be an extremely rude policy, specially since you never meant to imply that you
think co1lector is a scammer, and if you send first to him he will rip you off.

Thanks, Mike

8kobe

Great statement, I agree with your whole take, nice job.
"I think that if the other person can supply you with as many or more references then you can
then you should send at the same time."
This is a great statement, if only they keep there word on it. Cause I have done over 300 online
trades and for some reason on a lots of my trades, the mail I send seems to get to the trader
faster, then the incoming and the postmark date doe's not match mine. I don't mind I know it's coming,
it's not that big of deal for me, but it is for the kids out there, that's runs to the mailbox everyday
and can't wait till they get that cool card they traded for.
But a lot of traders need to work on that one, I think.

Thanks, Mike


co1lector,

I got to have this card 2001, UD Sweet Spots Griffey Game-used Bat , look at my site and let me
know if I have anything you can use. I want to play, so I have no problem with your send first rule.
I hope you can find something.

Thanks, Mike

uwftke26

Mike-

I se your point, and I understand that you want to defend your freind, but I just see this as a very rude policy. I believe that poeople who havebuilt a large body of references deserve better than to be frced to send first. I think it is collector's responsibility, if he has gotten ripped to be morecareful about who he trades with...not to punish everyone.

I wouldn't just send out unsolicited PM's saying "don't trade with collector" but if someone asked, sure I would tell them that inmy opinion good traders should not have to send first.

Ryan

co1lector

Thank you, uwf. At 1st, you made it seem like you'd make it sound like I've ripped people off without saying it, but I appreciate your last statement:

"I would tell them that inmy opinion good traders should not have to send first."

The above statement is what I was looking for. I have no problem with that (just didn't want people to get the wrong impression of me when you would say that you wouldn't send 1st to me, but you cleared up that problem)



Mike, BV on it? Would you buy, or only looking to trade for it? Got a list/site of what you have to offer?

Mikefromchester

co1lector,
Not looking to buy know, but look at my site and let me know if you can use anything.

2001 Upper Deck Sweet Spot Game Bat B-KG Ken Griffey Jr. $80.00

My card are here:
http://www.planetsport.com/planetsport/t_storefront.mv?gtb

Some of my cards photos are here 5 pages:
http://communities.msn.com/SportsTrading/mikefromchestercards.msnw?Page=1

My references are here:
http://www.sportscardfun.com/trader/lookin2trade.asp

Ryan,
Thanks for clearing thing up, now go back to CE and help put some smiles on the little ones faces at the Children's Hospitals.

Many thanks, Mike

co1lector

Was that all you were interested in? Didn't see anything worth $80 I was interested in.

uwftke26

Mike, your generous donation has led the way for us to put smile son a LOT of faces at the Pediatric Center. By my estimates, CE's first donation is goinge about 9,000 cards (!!!!)

collector, I would never try to give a good trader a bad rep...I know you're not a scammer, I just don't like you're rule. I would really recomend that you consider, instead of making anyone and everyone send first, that maybe you be more selective in who you trade with, so you won't have to make that demand. maybe you could even consider joining TR, where tarders are protected and you know all the traders are good traders.

I'd be happy to support your membership application. And we hope to see you on CE too

Ryan