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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not really shocked. Got to be dysfunctional.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a disaster that experiment turned out to be. Maybe he will return to the collegiate level now where his abilities are more suited.


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  • 3 under par3 under par Posts: 110 ✭
    If you're gonna be an a-hole, you gotta win games.
  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He was okay as a coach the personnel decisions are another matter.
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭
    Why was it a disaster? He went 26-21 with a team that went 4-12 the year before he took over. He did all of that without a franchise quarterback.

    There is a pretty good chance the next head coach for the Eagles won't end up anywhere near 26-21 after three years.

    If he wants to continue coaching in the NFL he should be the most sought after coach on the market. Put him in Indianapolis or Tennessee and they are guaranteed playoff bound if Luck or Mariota stay healthy. He turned out to be a poor GM but that doesn't make him a poor coach. As for the dysfunction, that happens pretty much everywhere teams go from winning to losing.



    Robb
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why was it a disaster?



    it takes time for the League to catch up with a new idea, but when it does catch up the result is pretty drastic. for Kelly, I think he learned two things --- you can't Coach and Manage at the same time and it is unrealistic to expect a hurry-up spread scheme to be doable at the Pro level. College, maybe, but in the NFL there just aren't enough bodies available.
  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭




    Don't college coachs mostly suck at player management in the NFL ? At least the first time around . Roster management in college is orders of magnitude different . It's a treadmill basically players come onto one end and fall off the other end no matter what after 4 or so years. There is no salary cap , and the coach makes more money than every player put together .



    Demarco Murray ............. Why pay huge money for a guy if you are going to barely play him and misuse him when you do? Did they scout the guy? Does he fit the "Chip " system at all ? Also you aint the boss in the NFL like you were in college. Star players can throw their weight around , in the locker room , in the media and they don't care about you and aren't scared of you.



    To me if you are doing the hurry up thing then hire league minimum running backs and run them into the ground and cut them for the next guy. There was no reason to get a premier back at all. Look at the Patriots , they have like 10 guys in that spot , chances are we will never see most of them again.





  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if Pat Haden is bummed he hired his new coach. Chip Kelly would fit in nicely at U$C.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: fergie23

    Why was it a disaster? He went 26-21 with a team that went 4-12 the year before he took over. He did all of that without a franchise quarterback.

    There is a pretty good chance the next head coach for the Eagles won't end up anywhere near 26-21 after three years.

    If he wants to continue coaching in the NFL he should be the most sought after coach on the market. Put him in Indianapolis or Tennessee and they are guaranteed playoff bound if Luck or Mariota stay healthy. He turned out to be a poor GM but that doesn't make him a poor coach. As for the dysfunction, that happens pretty much everywhere teams go from winning to losing.



    Robb




    1 playoff berth in three years (with the previous regime's personnel) and zero playoff victories. As soon as Chip was given control over player personnel he literally destroyed the team. And despite the 4-12 season prior to his arrival, the Eagles were 29-19 the three season immediately prior to that, so it's not like the team he took over were chronic losers.



    Perhaps disaster is a bit strong to describe him as a coach, but it is not even harsh enough a term to describe him as a GM.



    And I never cared for that mentality to run every play like you're 3 TDs down with 5 minutes left, no matter the game situation. It just doesn't work at the NFL level.


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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,061 ✭✭✭
    On the other hand at least Chip tried some different things. There is no innovation without risk (and usually some failure along the way).
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    while I might disagree with his scheme and he hurt himself with some management moves I can say this --- in the NFL, if you change coaches and systems every three years you are doomed to perpetual failure. What do you think is continually holding back the Browns??
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has Manziel played his last game as a Brown?


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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭
    So why exactly are people saying the hurry-up spread offense did not work? There is a http://fivethirtyeight.com article showing that the hurry up offense wasn't the issue with the Eagles.



    Robb
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: fergie23

    So why exactly are people saying the hurry-up spread offense did not work? There is a http://fivethirtyeight.com article showing that the hurry up offense wasn't the issue with the Eagles.



    Robb




    That article is just the opinion of an author and one with which I would respectfully disagree. The author actually reveals one of the primary underlying reason (IMO) for the Eagles failures (other than totally misusing the NFL's leading rusher from 2014, another Kelly failure) when he blames the poor play of the Eagles defense. But why was the Eagles D getting lit up so routinely? Because when you run the offense like a track meet and you don't put together consistent offensive drives, the defense is going to get gassed when your offense goes 3 and out after 12 seconds. That should be obvious to any coach or game planner. Yet Chip refused to yield under any circumstances, primarily due to hubris or arrogance, take your pick.


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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭
    It is never that simple in football. Through the first 9 games of the season the Eagles were ninth in points allowed on defense, not exactly being lit up. They ran the same offense before their defense stopped playing well so the gassed comment is mostly just an excuse. The Eagles were last in time of possession in 2013, didn't seem to hurt the defense then. They were last in time of possession in 2014 and managed a 10-6 record. Why would 2015 be any different? As for 3 and outs Philadelphia was ranked middle of the pack in 2015.



    Hopefully Kelly gets hired by the Colts and we get to revisit this conversation after he actually has an elite QB handling the reins.



    As for it being an opinion article he actually backs it up with data around the effectiveness of the "blur" offense.



    Robb
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Robb, if you consider zero playoff wins in three seasons from a team that was essentially a perennial playoff team (we're not talking the Cleveland Browns here) to be anything but an overall failure, your measurement of success is different from mine. As for team defense, the Eagles have been pitiful every year during the Chip Kelly era, ranked 29th, 28th and now 30th over that span (an indictment, again, of Kelly's insistence on running the hurry-up offense all game, every game, no matter the game situation). I would say that the only reason the team had some measure of success the two seasons preceding this one was due in large part to the performance of the very players that Kelly unceremoniously dumped or let depart as free agents prior to this season (McCoy, Foles, Maclin, Mathis, etc.) Without those guys in place to bail him out, the team collapsed in upon itself. When the architect of your own demise is looking back at you in the mirror, you have no one to blame for the team's failure but yourself.



    It will be interesting to see what Kelly does with a better QB like Luck in Indy (I would venture to say that most head coaches would do better with a QB of that calibre, regardless). If I were a Colts fan, though, I wouldn't get my hopes up, and would rather see another head coach brought in. One thing is beyond debate~the Kelly experiment failed in Philly, and not for any reason other than Chip Kelly. If I'm an owner thinking of hiring Kelly, I'd hire him as the head coach and certainly not as a GM or with control over roster changes, as his player personnel skills were abysmal. That, and it's okay to use the playclock now and then (as well as the players you had ownership pay a king's ransom to come play for your team). Perhaps, Chip will learn from this experience and come back as a better NFL coach in his next assignment, should the opportunity present itself, and I'm betting it will. Time will tell.


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