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Weve all been talking about basektball.....hat about HOCKEY!!!

Lets go Avs(Hell..i dont even know if thier still in..LMAO!!!!)
Looking for Raef LaFrentz / former KU Players...
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  • lafrentz06lafrentz06 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭
    or not....lol
    Looking for Raef LaFrentz / former KU Players...
    Refs - MFFL, ejones6, lilsun1, injun01, RichyPF32, TheRockMic13, SMOOTHSHOOTER, TrFstPtch, funnyguy0016, LAdude465, Derrick, Nowizki, Scott2141, Josher416, thematrix31, uwftke26, duncangal, raf12, icon4400, cpandeaz3, Thito, Colton, amfox1, germanjayhawk, fuzz86, battier, awaltz
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  • Avs are still in it... and they will be knocking the wings out shortly.
  • Sorry not a hockey fan.
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 4,287 ✭✭
    Hockey bores me. *yawn*
  • Speaking of BORING! Let's all listen to Shaq & Kobe whine about the officals calls & lets all watch a bunch of overpaid so called pros dribble a ball up & down the court.It's real easy to spell boring=NBA!!

    The Carolina Hurricanes will show you some real sports being played.You want action;just watch the NHL. Alot of people said the 'Canes didn't have a shot at the Stanley Cup! ! Well,they were way wrong;they are on thier way!!

    GO' CANES! ! & GO AVS! ! 1 MORE GAME & WE HAVE OUR DREAM STANLEY CUP FINALS!!
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 4,287 ✭✭
    ...During the normal course of play, hockey and soccer games I have watched without having a partial interest in one of the teams seem to me not to have sufficient individual plays to make them interesting, nor sufficient realistic scoring opportunities to make them interesting. Moreover, although occasionally in hockey and soccer a score is the result of superior strategy, teamwork, or skill, the difference between scoring a goal and just missing one or having one blocked is more a matter of luck than skill. In ice hockey in particular, it is not clear why some shots slip through and others miss, other than luck. Yet because goals are so scarce in hockey, a luck shot can determine the outcome of the game and it can dictate the style of play. Moreover, once an offensively weak team is behind by two or three goals, the game's outcome is pretty much determined because in hockey and soccer, as in four-corners basketball, there are not enough realistic scoring opportunities left in the game. Similarly in a relatively strong offensive, high scoring sport, a game can get out of hand early if a stronger team gets ahead because there is not sufficient realistic opportunity to limit their continued offensive output later to catch up with them.

    American football seems to recognize the need for reasonable proportional chances to make significant scores or stops of scoring. When outside factors, such as kicking strength improvements, change the scoring balance significantly, the leagues affected will change the rules between seasons in order to restore the balance. Once kickers could kick the ball on kick-offs past the endzone or could make field goals from too many different field positions, kick-off lines were moved back to allow greater possibility of runbacks, and goal posts were moved back, and the spot for giving possession to the defensive team for missed field goals was changed in order to put more risk in trying to kick longer field goals and to make it harder to kick them successfully.

    Contemporary tennis is faced with the problem that composite racquets allow players far more power and control on their serves, so that some players on some court surfaces have such an advantage that the serve is about all that is left to the contest. A match may come down simply to whose serve was better on that day, and that is not nearly as interesting as watching a match where there is more to playing and more to winning than just how many dominating or unreturnable serves were hit. It is only great to watch good serve and volley tennis when that is a feat, not when it is the norm because of technological progress in equipment. So some tournaments last year have required use of a larger, slower ball in order to give more opportunity for a controlled return of serve in those situations.

    When a baseball pitcher one year invented a move that allowed him to pretty much pick off first base runners at will who took any sort of reasonable lead, the balk rule was changed during the following winter, in order to allow base runners once again to have a chance of stealing second or of going to third on a single. One of the amazing things about some sports, such as baseball, is that the increased fitness of players over the years, unlike in football, has resulted in very little change in the proportion of overall offense and defense. The size of the diamond has not had to be changed in order to keep offense or defense from dominating. As offensive skills have improved, so have defensive skills. And while there may be more home runs hit these days than there were prior to 1930, home runs are still both rare enough that they are a surprise and a feat and common enough that one or two during a game may not put that game out of reach.

    The problem, to me, with soccer and hockey is that there is not likely to be much scoring and if some scoring does occur early, it tends to determine the game too soon. In the same way, but from the opposite direction, the problem with some basketball games is that there is so little defense that a few missed baskets tend to determine the outcome of the game. What I want is for games to give the team that is behind a realistic opportunity still to win. And I want offensive and defensive ability to count for more than just luck in determining whether a score is made or prevented.

    There is one situation, even in low scoring sports where the defense essentially dominates or in high scoring sports where the offense essentially dominates, that allow individual contests or matches to be exciting to impartial fans. Those are particular games or series of games (e.g., best three out of five, or best four of seven) in which one team is (considered to be) much stronger than the other, but the far weaker team (the team least expected to win) gets ahead early and has to hold off what is thought to be the superior team. The suspense is in whether the superior team will "wake up" in time to win or whether if they step up their game, the winning weaker team will be able to withstand the onslaught. Insofar as one team is far stronger or has been more dominant than another, the stronger team can get relatively far behind and still be considered to have a chance to win the game or the series. That is not the case in match-ups between teams of equal ability or in match-ups where the stronger team gets ahead early, particularly in those sports that do not tend to allow much momentum shifts. While a stronger team with a large lead might still lose, the odds are so against it that there is no real sense of anticipation or suspense; thus there is little excitement. Momentum shifts tend only to occur in sports where the ease of scoring and the ease of preventing scoring are sufficiently balanced. And low scoring, defensive sports or high scoring, offensive sports, do not tend to allow that in general.

    If my theory is correct, and if many Americans who do not find hockey interesting are like me, it would follow that we would be more interested in hockey if scoring were sufficiently easier that any game which is, say 4 - 1, early, is not thereby virtually over. If most ice hockey games needed something like 12 or 15 goals to win, and if the rinks or nets were larger, or if there were fewer players just "clogging up" scoring lanes, or if rules were changed to allow scoring to have a higher probability than it does now, we should then find the sport more exciting. That, of course, is not something for the purist, nor would it be the same sport in terms of history and tradition. But if the idea is to promote fan interest in a sport something like hockey or soccer, something of that sort might be both necessary and sufficient, if I am correct.

  • Derrick, if you grew up in Canada you would not say anything like that. Hockey is one of the best games in the world, to play and to watch. I believe there is luck in any sport but most of it is skill. Why is it only certain players (allstars) score 50 goals, 100 points a season...they got lucky? I was a die hard hockey fan but started watching basketball when the Raptors joined the NBA. I love both games but must say that hockey is my #1 sport even though a Canadian invented basketball. Besides, the greatest trophy in all sports is the Stanley cup, it's got the most history and looks the best (better than a silly gold ball like the NBA, bunch of flag poles in MLB or even the world cup...small gold thing) If you ever played hockey (doubt you can skate) you would love the sport.
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  • Very true Vince. I think the biggest problem is knowing about the sport. You cannot fully understand hockey if you dont sit down and watch it. Carolina has made the playoffs this year... and now... hockey is huge there. You cannot fully appreciate the sport of hockey if you dont know the fundamentals. Anyone can play hockey... you have players 6'5" to 5'6" and they all are at the same level... no real advantage (depending on the players style of play). As far as baseball... and the improved condition... thanks steroids for some players... because thats how the "bulked up". I guess if you cant enjoy or appreciate a sport you cant fully understand.
  • One thing though Vince... you didnt have to have grown up in Canada... or even have lived in Canada... you just have to sit down and watch the game. Perhaps the TV stations should do like they did in florida... and during the game... there is a "side commentator" to explain what is happening... like the penalties, icing, offside...etc.
  • lafrentz06lafrentz06 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭
    Vince...kinda what you rsaying is it's a national pasttime. Hockeys for canada. Here in America...baseballs the pastime...and i dont like it. its all a persons preference not where your from.
    Looking for Raef LaFrentz / former KU Players...
    Refs - MFFL, ejones6, lilsun1, injun01, RichyPF32, TheRockMic13, SMOOTHSHOOTER, TrFstPtch, funnyguy0016, LAdude465, Derrick, Nowizki, Scott2141, Josher416, thematrix31, uwftke26, duncangal, raf12, icon4400, cpandeaz3, Thito, Colton, amfox1, germanjayhawk, fuzz86, battier, awaltz
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 4,287 ✭✭
    I DO know about the game and it's past and the rules and etc, because I'm a sports guru...image

    But still, I find it boring, and that's just my opinion.
  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159
    I also agree with Derrick that Hockey is a pretty boring sport. But I was born and have grown up in the Basketball capital of the world. So I would pick basketball over almost anything.
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  • Friday nights game 7 with the Avs and Wings should be good. If you watch any game all year it should be that one.
    Looking for former University of Arizona NBA RC's in PSA or BGS 9's/GEM MINT grades. Die hard University of Arizona and Bay Area Sports fan.
  • Yawn, it doesn't matter who wins friday, because they will hit 'THE WALL'... Irbe.

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  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭
    Canes' will dump the series in 5 to either team in the west
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  • WOW~~~Derrick thanks for the novel! I dont know what you guys are talking about, the NHL is the ONLY sport I can watch a whole game of. Unless the sixers are in the finals. or hell if the phils ever get to a world series lol. someone tell me whats better then a fast paces, quick game, with fights, checks, and high adrenaline plays! NHL=Awesome!!!!! (No im not canadian((yes i do play hockey))
  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159
    I have to admit that the fights in the NHL are the best. If shaq would have killed pretty boy Brad Miller then they would be a close second. I do like watching highlights of hockey cause they show the good stuff. (FIGHTS!!!!!!!)
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  • EHTHOCKEY-

    You can't watch a whole NFL game? What are you sick in the head?? Why is everyone forgetting to mention the most popular, most watched sport in the US. The NFL is the best game out there, hands down. Ratings prove it every year.
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  • dirtmonkeydirtmonkey Posts: 3,048 ✭✭
    Give it another couple months and then we'll be yakin' about football. I love it, my 2nd favorite. My Lions better pick it up though image
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  • If hockey is boring... then what is baseball??? LMAO
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭
    Go Wings, Colorado missed their opportunity in game six, no way the lose game seven at the "Joe". Whoever wins the west wins the cup, Carolina come on...
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  • Everyone feel free to jump my case on this one, but I think that largely, professional sports are boring. Be it baseball, basketball, hockey...or football. Granted, the athletes are in their physical prime, but they lack the enthusiasm and love for the game that college level players have.
    College players are out there playing because they love the game, not because they're getting paid to do so. Granted, professional athletes love the game also, or else they wouldn't be where they are today, but I'd much rather have watched Shane Battier play in a Duke game, than in a Memphis game. Same goes for any young player.
    Some of these kids are out there knowing that this is the last year they'll play sufficient minutes, so they give it their all. More dunks, more flashy passes, more ally-oops...more explosive play all around. And this is just college basketball. If I do sit down and watch a whole pro bkb game, it's likely to be a team like the Clippers, a young team who has no real chance of winning a championship, thus has nothing to loose.
    Anyone who has ever seen one of the And1 Mix tapes, or anything like it, knows that playground basketball is some of the most creative, exciting basketball around. Players play because they love the game. In the cases of some pro athletes, money takes over, and that's the only motivation left for playing the game. The NFL is fun to watch, but I'd take college football over pro football any day.
    Of course, that's just my .02. Feel free to differ -JP
    -JP
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