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Why is this Clemente RC only a PSA 7?

jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
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Hi guys,

I have been thinking about sending in for a review and was curious to everyone's thoughts. Sure looks and presents nicer than a 7 to me and was wondering what you all think. The print issue in the lower right bottom is the only thing I potentially see but have seen others graded higher with the same flaw.

Jeff

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  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Front top left corner and the edge less than in inch to the right of that?
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    Print mark in the bottom right as you pointed out. I think worth the risk for sure to try.
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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Something by the "o" in Roberto on the back and the other thingy to the right of the word right!!
  • olb31olb31 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks like an 8 to me.
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  • pdub1819pdub1819 Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭
    The centering is so nice. If I had that kind of money, I would love to have that in my Clemente collections.

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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭
    There's also the print line above "outfield" that, while fairly common for this card, seems more pronounced than usual.
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  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 1980scollector I think worth the risk for sure to try.




    +1
    great looking card!
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    Card had nice eye appeal. Seems to be very tough to get bumps on high dollar cards like this. Not sure, but I was led to believe that higher dollar cards get additional scrutiny when submitted for grading or review. The same grading standards apply, but if multiple graders are involved with such cards then perhaps there is more chance of an opinion about a subjective criteria holding the card back because there are more people involved in the processing?

    Would be interesting and useful for us to understand if the grading process was identical regardless of what card it is and, if not, then what additional rigor or steps are taken with some cards.


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  • 19541954 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭
    The top left corner is barely touched but that should not keep the Clemente out of an 8 holder in my opinion. I would think a bump is in order for that card.
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  • garnettstylegarnettstyle Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭✭
    The two lower right print marks keeps it a 7.

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  • mb2005mb2005 Posts: 165 ✭✭
    Did you submit is with "NQ"? It looks like a PDA 8 (PD) to me because of the black mark. I have PSA 8 that looks very similar (below), but instead of the black line, it has a white print dot under the "e" in Pirates, and a small smudge just NE of "Clemente". I think that is what kept mine from an 8.5. The 2 cards look pretty similar though.



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  • jeff8877jeff8877 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Thanks guys for the input...

    I looked through about twenty VCP past sales for PSA 8s pictures and didn't find any with this print spot so am assuming that is why it was graded a 7. It did look better than many of the graded 8s I saw print spot or not.

    To answer another question...I did not sub this card myself but purchased as is several years back as is.

    Jeff
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think PSA used good judgement here. Card does not look sharp enough to be a 9PD which would be the same as a straight 7, an 8PD would translate to a straight 6, that wouldn't be fair IMO, so I guess 7 is a fair grade. Maybe 7.5, but if I had a nice 8 with no print problem, I wouldn't feel this card was nice enough to rate the same grade.



    As always, the scans here don't always give us a good enough image to properly evaluate the card. A question I would ask is are the corners on the left side of the card sharp? They look slightly "blunted".



    Beautiful card!
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  • jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes print defects to a minor extent. However they are common on this card.

    Top left corner has a touch.



    Nice card. I can see this in an 8 holder. Well worth several bump tries IMO.
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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not an expert on this card, but even if print defects are common, they should count against the grade. With the combination of a fairly significant print defect and at least one touched corner this card is a 7 or 7.5 at best. Just because it has superb centering doesn't mean the other problems cease to exist.



    Of course a lot depends on the grader, I think the card could get an 8 depending on the grader and with the value of the card being what it is, it's certainly worth a try or three. I still wouldn't be surprised if it came back a 6 or 6.5, but that's the gamble you take on a card like this. According to PSA's grading standards an 8 can have slight fraying on one or two corners and a minor printing imperfection. My eye is drawn to the print defect pretty quickly, it's not a major imperfection, but I would not call it a minor defect, this is where it gets subjective.



    Good luck if you send it in again!!!
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