Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
Originally posted by: PerryHall Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Originally posted by: PerryHall Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
I remember one branch of the government asking me to do some things, and I did. Then another branch, and again, I did. Once I got called for jury duty and told them it would be a financial burden to me and I got out of that. Thank God for our system. If , and that's such an outlandish proposition, our government wanted something from me, they know how to get it.
Originally posted by: PerryHall Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
I still have a constitutional or at least a God-given right to own a Stinger missile and Claymore mines, 12,000 Black-Talon cop-killer rounds, and a bazooka. I'll be ready when they come < br>
And I feel very big and brave and strong too
And for those who hunt with automatic weapons: 10 round clips fail to provide as intense an orgasm as the 15 round variety. Your experiences?
All of this because of a bitter experience using a two-handed grip on a Desert Eagle and still breaking my shoulder from the recoil.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I would if I didn't flush it down the toilet once, twice or even three times per day. It's hard to write down legible information on those single ply sheets.
It is not that life is short, but that you are dead for so very long.
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Actually, college. About 50 years ago. Doubt the sources? Read something else besides from Wayne LaPierre and Lyndon LaRouche
Late-breaking news! ... Ted Kaczynski (sp?) just came out supporting one particular side of this Socratic dialogue. LOL, he wants to meet us at a bar in Georgia where "carrying" is permitted.
Says he's got Mutually Assured Destruction down to a science. . .
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Actually, college. About 50 years ago. Doubt the sources? Read something else besides from Wayne LaPierre and Lyndon LaRouche.
Good news... Ted Kazynski (sp?) just came out in favor of your side of this Socratic dialogue.
If it's THAT simple then why doesn't the SCOTUS agree to hear the/any case/s involving the SA and rule that since slavery doesn't exist in the same way that it did then, that the right [or need] to keep and bear arms doesn't exist any more either?
Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Probably, as that baseless nonsense was first advanced in a book published in 1998 entitled, "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment," by Bogus, and has been repeated to advance a narrative to undermine the clear meanings of the 2nd Amendment.
There are those that want to advance the idea that protecting slavery for a group of southerners often identified as the agrarian Jeffersonian school of thought that eventually coalesced into the Democratic Party and elected Andrew Jackson which in turn introduced bigotry on a shocking level leading to the Civil War.
The REAL grand compromise in the drafting of the Constitution was a bicameral house giving smaller slave holding states a greater voice with the representation of two senators appointed within the several state legislatures.
Reading REAL history such as Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story's 1834 treatise, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," reveals in chapter 23 that the thought behind the 2nd Amendment was based upon English law of 1688 supporting individual gun rights and included in our Bill of Rights to guard against, 1. tyranny of a central government, and 2. guard the homeland should our standing army be caught off guard. http://www.constitution.org/js/js_322.txt
Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Probably, as that baseless nonsense was first advanced in a book published in 1998 entitled, "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment," by Bogus, and has been repeated to advance a narrative to undermine the clear meanings of the 2nd Amendment.
There are those that want to advance the idea that protecting slavery for a group of southerners often identified as the agrarian Jeffersonian school of thought that eventually coalesced into the Democratic Party and elected Andrew Jackson which in turn introduced bigotry on a shocking level leading to the Civil War.
The REAL grand compromise in the drafting of the Constitution was a bicameral house giving smaller slave holding states a greater voice with the representation of two senators appointed within the several state legislatures.
Reading REAL history such as Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story's 1834 treatise, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," reveals in chapter 23 that the thought behind the 2nd Amendment" was based upon English law of 1688 supporting individual gun rights and included in our Bill of Rights to guard against, 1. tyranny of a central government, and 2. guard the homeland should our standing army be caught off guard. http://www.constitution.org/js/js_322.txt
I have no doubt "tyranny of the central government" relates not only to British rule but also due to generalized fear of a governmental intrusion into "states rights". The Articles of Confederation went so far in this direction that no cohesive effort in damn near anything, like a national standing army, was accomplished.
Yet the entire North could qualify for posse comitatus (not against the law until late 1870's) in fighting for Union. Do interpretations of 2nd Amendment rights change after the Civil War?
Any citations of specific 2nd Amendment cases in which SCOTUS limited your absolute rights. And an ID for the well-regulated militia?
Justice Story reveals what? His own opinions on cases he ruled upon? Did SCOTUS rule in the same way he did? Any previous or subsequent cases on 2nd Amendment affirming or denying absolute rights?
BTW, what you offer is more research and knowledge than anyone else I've heard here.
Fair and balanced view of questions and answers?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Let's see. The government can produce a list of stockholders in the Fortune 500 (market cap $17 trillion) in about 24 hours, or they can spend a lot more time hunting down all the gold and silver bullion owners (maybe $17 billion). If the goal was wealth redistribution, the former option seems an awful lot easier.
Originally posted by: PerryHall Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
...THIS!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
How did the US Constitution help the American Citizens of Japanese ancestry who were put in concentration camps by FDR?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
How did the US Constitution help the American Citizens of Japanese ancestry who were put in concentration camps by FDR?
That's a good point but then.........those put into internment camps were not "exterminated" as that silly link implies.
Better yet, exactly WHAT is the possibility of "internment camps" in today's lawsuit rich environment? Have you not been listening to the backlash over certain comments made by a certain presidential candidate?
The Fear Mongers are out in force and it appears to be working.
That handy little tool called the internet is used to distribute half truths which are never researched nor given any form of rational thought!
No doubt, Greece is in a heap of financial trouble and this country could very well be headed in that direction. BUT, the legal system within the country far exceeds that which exists in Greece based solely upon the US Constitution and a literal SWARM of publicity hungry lawyers that are more than willing to step up to the challenge.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I remember a country that was in financial crisis whose stock market crashed and had massive unemployment. This country confiscated the gold held by its citizens and paid them in depreciated paper money. Its citizens had no choice in the matter and were threatened with high fines and imprisonment for non compliance. Don't say it can't happen here. It already has.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Originally posted by: PerryHall I remember a country that was in financial crisis whose stock market crashed and had massive unemployment. This country confiscated the gold held by its citizens and paid them in depreciated paper money. Its citizens had no choice in the matter and were threatened with high fines and imprisonment for non compliance. Don't say it can't happen here. It already has.
And we've had an uncivil war on something, ever since.
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Whatever fireams and ammo we don't like - TURN IT IN!
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Whatever fireams and ammo we don't like - TURN IT IN!
There are many who feel the same way, they just lack the means to get it enacted.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Whatever fireams and ammo we don't like - TURN IT IN!
There are many who feel the same way, they just lack the means to get it enacted.
Wouldn't want to be the ones whom are tasked with confiscation.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Whatever fireams and ammo we don't like - TURN IT IN!
There are many who feel the same way, they just lack the means to get it enacted.
Lack the means or lack the courage to stand and do whats right? Don't worry, thoughts and prayers will work for now...
I'd report what I own, I don't fear confiscation of my assets. What do I know though. I'm just another one of those stupid college kids.
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
When did the gov't come and confiscate our cars? Our boats? Our motorcycles?
I'm a registered Professional Engineer. Am I headed for an internment camp?
Obviously, the difference is that people generally only fear registration of things for which that registration list could reasonably be assumed to used for later confiscation. Firearms are just such an example. As to the OPs question and to the views expressed in many of the replies, I'm sure that most if not all of those who said that they would never register/declare their gold, coins, etc think nothing of registering their vehicles, etc. The obvious reason is that registration of the former could very reasonably be considered as a prelude to eventual confiscation. Not so much with the vehicles.
If the Government ever gets the power/authority to confiscate weapons, I don't think anyone would be immune to search and seizure. Wasn't it an "anonymous tip" that directed San Bernardino authorities to the home of the shooters?
In it's first front page editorial since 1920 the NYT has advocated for outright confiscation of whatever firearms that they don't like and some types of ammo. That 99.99+% of whatever firearms it would deem to be confiscated are the legally owned, legally purchased, very expensive personal property of tens of millions of Americans means absolutely nothing to them. Sure, no worries about registration leading to confiscation.
Whatever fireams and ammo we don't like - TURN IT IN!
There are many who feel the same way, they just lack the means to get it enacted.
Wouldn't want to be the ones whom are tasked with confiscation.
Not to worry; there are probably plenty who are. If not, they'll probably find the meanest ones they can for the job.
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
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And for those who hunt with automatic weapons: 10 round clips fail to provide as intense an orgasm as the 15 round variety. Your experiences?
All of this because of a bitter experience using a two-handed grip on a Desert Eagle and still breaking my shoulder from the recoil.
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I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Actually, college. About 50 years ago. Doubt the sources? Read something else besides from Wayne LaPierre and Lyndon LaRouche
Late-breaking news! ... Ted Kaczynski (sp?) just came out supporting one particular side of this Socratic dialogue. LOL, he wants to meet us at a bar in Georgia where "carrying" is permitted.
Says he's got Mutually Assured Destruction down to a science. . .
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Actually, college. About 50 years ago. Doubt the sources? Read something else besides from Wayne LaPierre and Lyndon LaRouche.
Good news... Ted Kazynski (sp?) just came out in favor of your side of this Socratic dialogue.
If it's THAT simple then why doesn't the SCOTUS agree to hear the/any case/s involving the SA and rule that since slavery doesn't exist in the same way that it did then, that the right [or need] to keep and bear arms doesn't exist any more either?
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Probably, as that baseless nonsense was first advanced in a book published in 1998 entitled, "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment," by Bogus, and has been repeated to advance a narrative to undermine the clear meanings of the 2nd Amendment.
There are those that want to advance the idea that protecting slavery for a group of southerners often identified as the agrarian Jeffersonian school of thought that eventually coalesced into the Democratic Party and elected Andrew Jackson which in turn introduced bigotry on a shocking level leading to the Civil War.
The REAL grand compromise in the drafting of the Constitution was a bicameral house giving smaller slave holding states a greater voice with the representation of two senators appointed within the several state legislatures.
Reading REAL history such as Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story's 1834 treatise, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," reveals in chapter 23 that the thought behind the 2nd Amendment was based upon English law of 1688 supporting individual gun rights and included in our Bill of Rights to guard against, 1. tyranny of a central government, and 2. guard the homeland should our standing army be caught off guard. http://www.constitution.org/js/js_322.txt
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
No. Study the history. South Carolina would not ratify until their "private militias" AKA "organized rounders-up of escaped slaves" were legal and protected. Constitutionalists, please tell me how much I am off on this. Could be.
Let's all go Posse Comitatas. Do you read, or do you just spew?
Second time I've seen that today. Did you get it from HERE?
Probably, as that baseless nonsense was first advanced in a book published in 1998 entitled, "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment," by Bogus, and has been repeated to advance a narrative to undermine the clear meanings of the 2nd Amendment.
There are those that want to advance the idea that protecting slavery for a group of southerners often identified as the agrarian Jeffersonian school of thought that eventually coalesced into the Democratic Party and elected Andrew Jackson which in turn introduced bigotry on a shocking level leading to the Civil War.
The REAL grand compromise in the drafting of the Constitution was a bicameral house giving smaller slave holding states a greater voice with the representation of two senators appointed within the several state legislatures.
Reading REAL history such as Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story's 1834 treatise, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States," reveals in chapter 23 that the thought behind the 2nd Amendment" was based upon English law of 1688 supporting individual gun rights and included in our Bill of Rights to guard against, 1. tyranny of a central government, and 2. guard the homeland should our standing army be caught off guard. http://www.constitution.org/js/js_322.txt
I have no doubt "tyranny of the central government" relates not only to British rule but also due to generalized fear of a governmental intrusion into "states rights". The Articles of Confederation went so far in this direction that no cohesive effort in damn near anything, like a national standing army, was accomplished.
Yet the entire North could qualify for posse comitatus (not against the law until late 1870's) in fighting for Union. Do interpretations of 2nd Amendment rights change after the Civil War?
Any citations of specific 2nd Amendment cases in which SCOTUS limited your absolute rights. And an ID for the well-regulated militia?
Justice Story reveals what? His own opinions on cases he ruled upon? Did SCOTUS rule in the same way he did? Any previous or subsequent cases on 2nd Amendment affirming or denying absolute rights?
BTW, what you offer is more research and knowledge than anyone else I've heard here.
Fair and balanced view of questions and answers?
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
...THIS!
FYI - I was referring to the verse that Richie Furie
FYI - in High School, here in Los Angeles, when I was in
Stage Crew, we put on a Sports' Night, headlined
by Buffalo Springfield (no sports, it was music and
dancing in the Gym). I was in charge of the Light Show
at the back of the Gym, upstairs.
During their break, I got to go 'backstage' and actually
sit with all the band members - and drink a beer with them!
(I was just 17 or so). Although I remember sitting with
them (some Rock & Roll Greats!), and being impressed,
I also remember thinking how cool it was to be sitting in
the Girls Gym section !!!
Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
LINK
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
LINK
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
How did the US Constitution help the American Citizens of Japanese ancestry who were put in concentration camps by FDR?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I'll tell ya this right now, boys… The government would find more lead and brass than gold and silver in most homes . Sad to say. Strange, too.
Not sad at all. I'm glad people are exercising their second amendment rights. The founding fathers put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights for a reason---as insurance against a tyrannical government.
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Like gun registration throughout history, registration is just a prelude to confiscation. One would have to be stupid to think otherwise. Why else would the government want to know what you own? Unfortunately, this country is heading in that direction.
Any specific historical references other than "throughout"?
The first thing I found with a quick search was this:
LINK
Yet.............virtually EVERY one of the countries mentioned in that link did NOT have a Constitutional form of government which addresses such things as illegal search and seizure and the right to voice your opposition "against" the government.
So,
do folks truly believe that millions of Americans will be "exterminated" at the hands of the US Government or is the text of that link just another method of pandering to the fear mongers and the ignorant?
How did the US Constitution help the American Citizens of Japanese ancestry who were put in concentration camps by FDR?
That's a good point but then.........those put into internment camps were not "exterminated" as that silly link implies.
Better yet, exactly WHAT is the possibility of "internment camps" in today's lawsuit rich environment? Have you not been listening to the backlash over certain comments made by a certain presidential candidate?
The Fear Mongers are out in force and it appears to be working.
That handy little tool called the internet is used to distribute half truths which are never researched nor given any form of rational thought!
No doubt, Greece is in a heap of financial trouble and this country could very well be headed in that direction. BUT, the legal system within the country far exceeds that which exists in Greece based solely upon the US Constitution and a literal SWARM of publicity hungry lawyers that are more than willing to step up to the challenge.
The name is LEE!
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Think the Greek millionaires (the ones who don't pay their fair share of taxes now) will reveal anything?
Not going to happen.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I remember a country that was in financial crisis whose stock market crashed and had massive unemployment. This country confiscated the gold held by its citizens and paid them in depreciated paper money. Its citizens had no choice in the matter and were threatened with high fines and imprisonment for non compliance. Don't say it can't happen here. It already has.
And we've had an uncivil war on something, ever since.
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