Got my first neg FB on ebay

clarkbar04

Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.


I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?


You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.


Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

keyman64

Ugh

Christos

Pics are out of focus but I would not have gone after it thinking it was a gradable MS coin because of the reverse coloring around the devices. Do the surfaces show physical cleaning not dip cleaning but hairlines or worse? Like I said cant tell from the images.

coindeuce

Had the same thing happen with a dbag from FL last week. He actually counter -offered on my BIN, and when I countered his counter offer @ +$20, he cancelled his first offer and then offered the amount I had countered with. So I accepted. He immediately paid and then hijacked my eBay images, listing it himself at more than twice what he paid. When it arrived 5 days later, he immediately requested a return, claiming it didn't match the photos, even though he had used my photos to try to resell it. Some real scum slithering around eBay these days.

lordmarcovan

Sorry for your frustration.

AUandAG

Dollar looks certainly messed with but a neg is not in order...a return or perhaps a not as described....but not a neg.



bob

sawyerjosh

Looks like slider, a stretch to call it CHBU

Not saying you deserve neg though.

asheland

That sucks.

abcde12345

Choice generally means, MS63 when it comes to a descriptor for Uncirculated.



Even 'Select' would have been inappropriate (generally means MS62'ish).



With that stated, a return would have been in order perhaps a neutral, but a negative within

the ebay culture is harsh.

jdimmick

Probably not a coin that does much for me, but def not a cull, Buyer should have contacted to make the return. As a seller, I hate this happened, has happened to me before. Block him and move on.

lasvegasteddy

out this buyer so i can block him



didn't even give you a chance to work anything out there...just hammered you with a neg

piss poor buyer if you ask me

Treashunt

The buyer is an idiot.

stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04
Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.


I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?


You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.


Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .
So leave him a negitive feedback ..

PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04

Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.





I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?





You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.





Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .

So leave him a negitive feedback ..

I didn't think a seller can neg a buyer.

stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04
Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.


I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?


You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.


Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .
So leave him a negitive feedback ..

I didn't think a seller can neg a buyer.

Why not .
Here's another saying What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04

Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.





I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?





You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.





Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .

So leave him a negitive feedback ..

I didn't think a seller can neg a buyer.

Why not .

Here's another saying What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

I don't think eBay allows it. At one time eBay allowed it but the feedback system became worthless because a buyer couldn't neg a bad seller without the risk of getting a retaliatory neg from the bad seller. It would be easy for eBay to fix this---keep feedback hidden until both the buyer and the seller leaves feedback. If after one week or some other specified time period one party left feedback and the other party didn't leave feedback the feedback left would be shown and the party who didn't leave feedback would be blocked from leaving feedback.

stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04
Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.


I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?


You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.


Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .
So leave him a negitive feedback ..

I didn't think a seller can neg a buyer.

Why not .
Here's another saying What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

I don't think eBay allows it. At one time eBay allowed it but the feedback system became worthless because a buyer couldn't neg a bad seller without the risk of getting a retaliatory neg from the bad seller. It would be easy for eBay to fix this---keep feedback hidden until both the buyer and the seller leaves feedback. If after one week or some other specified time period one party left feedback and the other party didn't leave feedback the feedback left would be shown and the party who didn't leave feedback would be blocked from leaving feedback.

Sound like it's not worth selling on ebay .
If your a seller, the cards are stacked against you ...

oih82w8

My tolerance for eBay buyers is wearing real thin.



Unfortunate that the seller can't reciprocate the NEG feedback.

M

One thing you can do is reply to the feedback, "Sorry you were not pleased, I offer refunds on all items" or something similar. Shows other buyers you are a good seller and this buyer is a jerk.

jwitten

Please tell us his name so we can block him too.

asheland

Originally posted by: M
One thing you can do is reply to the feedback, "Sorry you were not pleased, I offer refunds on all items" or something similar. Shows other buyers you are a good seller and this buyer is a jerk.

Cougar1978

Feel for you, there are a lot of losers on ebay. Its insame they don't allow sellers to post negs. I am a paying customer, and should be allowed to do that vs some dbag having carte blanche on feedbac.

clarkbar04

I kind of figured the coin would come under fire, but that was the risk I took in posting the link. If I didn't there would be 5 posts of "where is the link?". I feel the photos are good enough to make a fair assessment which if i personally saw it would be 1. pass and 2. if I was impulse bidding, no more than a $30 coin tops. (see #1 again) If I used it as the end coin of a repacked "original" silver dollar roll it would probably only bring $3,000.


I honestly don't see a place to comment back on the feedback or I would. I also note there is a "report this buyer" link next to it but I'm not going to do that.

LanceNewmanOCC

I honestly don't see a place to comment back on the feedback or I would. I also note there is a "report this buyer" link next to it but I'm not going to do that.

enough info for buyers. ludacris neg fb.



if not like the coin, should return.



i think this is the reply to fb link, only if you want. need to be logged in.

clarkbar04

Thanks for the link!

ctf_error_coins

I just got my first neutral for selling a certified ms 64 speared bison error with high end photographs.

The buyer says that the coin has scratches (dings consistent with ms 64) and the error needs magnification.

WTF, do they even know what they are buying, geeeeez.

TopographicOceans

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: PerryHall

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: clarkbar04
Sold a baggy but otherwise frosty original looking raw 80-S morgan to a guy and also offer returns. Check my FB today and he informs me in the FB that it is a cleaned cull with no prior contact. Pics were high resolution, I was actually surprised it got bid so high with all the hits.


I messaged him, why not contact me about a refund?


You can't please all the people all the time, so I just added him to my blocked bidder list and will not lose any sleep over it.


Here is the listing if anybody is interested. ebay link

I have a saying " Do On To Others As They Have Done To You " .
So leave him a negitive feedback ..

I didn't think a seller can neg a buyer.

Why not .
Here's another saying What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

I don't think eBay allows it. At one time eBay allowed it but the feedback system became worthless because a buyer couldn't neg a bad seller without the risk of getting a retaliatory neg from the bad seller. It would be easy for eBay to fix this---keep feedback hidden until both the buyer and the seller leaves feedback. If after one week or some other specified time period one party left feedback and the other party didn't leave feedback the feedback left would be shown and the party who didn't leave feedback would be blocked from leaving feedback.

Sound like it's not worth selling on ebay .
If your a seller, the cards are stacked against you ...

Sellers have not been able to leave negative feedback for over 5 years

FB to a buyer is meaningless.

The idea of FB is so buyers can know how a seller performs and buyers would be afraid to leave honest negative FB because they would get retalitory FB from the seller, so eBay only allows positive FB for buyers.


I have to be pretty riled up to leave a neg. It's more for when a seller doesn't deliver or doesn't resolve an issue.

This FB is undeserved. It's about a grade issue, though Clark did probably overstate the condition on this one based on the picture.
But he has a return policy so I'd suggest offering to pay for the return S/H and issue a full refund on receipt. Then send the buyer a FB revision request.
Good Luck.

vplite

Originally posted by: coindeuce
Had the same thing happen with a dbag from FL last week. He actually counter -offered on my BIN, and when I countered his counter offer @ +$20, he cancelled his first offer and then offered the amount I had countered with. So I accepted. He immediately paid and then hijacked my eBay images, listing it himself at more than twice what he paid. When it arrived 5 days later, he immediately requested a return, claiming it didn't match the photos, even though he had used my photos to try to resell it. Some real scum slithering around eBay these days.

This has always been true on eBay.

DaveWcoins

Originally posted by: asheland

Originally posted by: M

One thing you can do is reply to the feedback, "Sorry you were not pleased, I offer refunds on all items" or something similar. Shows other buyers you are a good seller and this buyer is a jerk.

+1

LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: ErrorsOnCoins

The buyer says that the coin has scratches (dings consistent with ms 64) and the error needs magnification.

WTF, do they even know what they are buying, geeeeez.

ive had buyers tell me they have no idea what they were buying from me but i seemed trustworthy and the item(s) are interesting.



then a few weeks later they take it/them to some random "dealer" that probably is a level 1 numismatist and get offered 1/20th of what they paid but of an amount i could probably still raise the price from and then i get some unpleasant email/pm etc



kinda cracks me up.

.

johnny9434

sorry to hear the sad news. block the buffoon

Pokermandude

Block and move on.

winky

Not for me either. Seated dimes for me.

telephoto1

Welcome to eBay, where you're used as a free approval service and buyers can neg you if they don't like the color of your socks.
I wouldn't worry too much about the neg; yes, it stinks-but anyone smart enough to review your recent FB will see that this is an aberration... and 12 months hence it won't show on your stats anyway. Good Luck.

BlindedByEgo

Originally posted by: jwitten
Please tell us his name so we can block him too.

Yes, please do so. If you don't want to do so publicly, at least PM those who ask.

19Lyds

Originally posted by: lasvegasteddy

out this buyer so i can block him



didn't even give you a chance to work anything out there...just hammered you with a neg

piss poor buyer if you ask me

Swoops in for a last minute snipe and ends up taking his ignorance out on the seller?



I'd block him! eBay doesn't need buyers like this.







Or maybe they do just to suck more money out of sellers.

19Lyds

Originally posted by: abcde12345

Choice generally means, MS63 when it comes to a descriptor for Uncirculated.



Even 'Select' would have been inappropriate (generally means MS62'ish).



With that stated, a return would have been in order perhaps a neutral, but a negative within

the ebay culture is harsh.

This very well may be true for the descriptors but isn't this what photographs are for?



I doubt that the buyer even looked at the photo's and is probably a newbie that spends too much time on negative eBay threads.

19Lyds

Originally posted by: Cougar1978

Feel for you, there are a lot of losers on ebay. Its insame they don't allow sellers to post negs. I am a paying customer, and should be allowed to do that vs some dbag having carte blanche on feedbac.

Back in the day when "sellers" could leave Negative Feedback on buyers, many, many, many, many unscrupulous sellers used retaliatory negative feedback on buyers and/or used feedback extortion to extract positive feedback from a negative transaction.



The sellers are as much at fault as the buyers which is why eBay changed the rules.



Sellers can no longer give anything other than POSITIVE Feedback for buyers.



Yes, it's a bit lopsided but it is what it is and its not going to change.



Sneak Attack Negs are the worse for honest sellers and having a buyer which refuses to communicate a perceived problem is probably the worst kind of buyer there is on eBay.

mustangmanbob

Does he sell coins on ebay?



If his name is posted, he might wind up with a lot a negatives.

Dave99B

Annoying! Dude is a moron. BLOCKED.



I like your response to his NEG. Solid high-road response. Classy.



Dave

CoinZip

mercurydimeguy

My first reaction was, why not just escalate to eBay for review? But then I saw the listing...read below.



To be neutral on this topic, this is exactly why eBay doesn't allow people to put grades in their listing of raw coins, but people find a way around it by doing Choice BU, Unc, BU, Uncirculated, etc.



If sellers were to understand that eBay collects millions of pieces of data and that there is a reason why they made it so you can't post grades on raw coins, I think there would be less problematic transactions.



I'm not saying I would have given a Neg for this, I would have just returned it, but posting a grade in a raw coin listing is asking for trouble and actually violates eBay policy so you can't even escalate this to eBay for review/reversal.

asheland

I like your response to that feedback. It's clear who the flake is once it's read.
That's what I would have done...

crazyhounddog

Originally posted by: lasvegasteddy
out this buyer so i can block him

didn't even give you a chance to work anything out there...just hammered you with a neg
piss poor buyer if you ask me

Count me in on that idea.

segoja

This buyer has left a total of 8 feedbacks for sellers.



3 of those are negatives.

TwoSides2aCoin

Pity some do not exercise their rights in a way that would benefit them.

abcde12345

If you had used the term, "baggy" instead of, "choice" in your auction title you wouldn't be here today grieving a negative feedback.

epcjimi1

With that stated, a return would have been in order perhaps a neutral, but a negative "within the ebay culture" is harsh.

I added the quote marks for emphasis.



I've sold stuff on ebay for twenty years (not that is any claim to fame, maybe 90 items total)>


This is a new concept / phrase to me, "ebay culture", never seen that before. Time to shift my paradigm.



“And so it goes...” as Mr. Vonnegut wrote.

TwoSides2aCoin

The eBay culture is a disease with no known cure.

roadrunner

Originally posted by: abcde12345

If you had used the term, "baggy" instead of, "choice" in your auction title you wouldn't be here today grieving a negative feedback.

Yes, the coin seems overgraded. Everything else followed. It might even be cleaned or have some hairlines. The only proper thing to do would have been for the seller to offer a full refund and pay for return shipping/postage. Unfortunately, the buyer didn't give you that option. I'd still offer it to them. If this coin were sent to me as choice BU I'd probably be ticked off too. Footing the return for a buyer stinks....not to mention the time to get the money back in one's account. Several bidders were at that $50 level. I have rolls of silver dollars in that quality (61/62) that I'd be happy to sell to those people for $40-$45 each.

CuKevin

Yes, the coin seems overgraded. If this coin were sent to me as choice BU I'd probably be ticked off too.

Removing some of what you said without changing the context to focus on the above statements.




You do realize you are looking at the same image the buyer did when bidding, right? If the buyer wouldn't be happy to receive WHAT WAS PICTURED, he never should have bid.
If the listing had no/bad photos, then the buyer has reason to seek recourse.



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