Any Thoughts on 1971 Racks in Heritage Nov 5-7 Auction?

70ToppsFanatic

Just got my Heritage catalogs today and thought I would check out the 1971 Racks they have available (all GAI slabbed). All have stars showing.

2_Aarons


Bunning_Yaz

Palmer

Garvey

Arron_Kaline



The one with 2 Aarons on the front (yellow header card) is the only one that seems to have the right kind of inter-cell seals. The seals are not perfectly clean from the front picture, but look a bit better from the back. 1st cell being series 2 is a bit unusual for a yellow header card rack. Yellow header card is a possibility for this rack.

All of the ones with regular cards for the header have the narrow seals (I never take the risk on these seals).

Anyone have any info about the provenance on the double Aaron rack they can share?

Thanks

grote15

Topps did not begin using cross hatch punch hole till 4th series in 71. To that point, Topps used the large circular punch hole.

70ToppsFanatic

Originally posted by: grote15
Topps did not begin using cross hatch punch hole till 4th series in 71. To that point, Topps used the large circular punch hole.

Correct. Pack contains 2 cells that are 4th series and 1 cell that is 2nd series so it is POSSIBLE that the cross-hatch could be on such a pack since this one was not released before series 4.

The mixed series is another concern, as it would be more normal to see mixed 3rd/4th or 4th/5th packs than a 2nd/4th. But it was known to see such situations when a bunch of earlier series sheets were discovered uncut a few series later and then included in the production run.

Nothing definitive yet that rules this one out. Just a number of yellow flags:

- Multiple stars showing
- Seals not ideal
- Unusual series mix

Still wondering if anyone knows more about the journey this pack has taken through the collecting world.

grote15

I know it will wind up commanding a large premium~as a buyer, I'd probably prefer a rack without two Hank Aarons on top, especially when you factor in that premium.



I do recall this rack coming up for sale previously some time ago~not sure what venue it was, though.

BeRoyalKC

I always enjoy seeing the crazy stuff like this. A 1971 rack with 2 Aaron's showing, while I agree as a buyer probably not in love with that premium but as a collector it sure is cool to see stuff like that.

Dboneesq

Is anyone thinking JOSE?

KendallCat

"No way Jose".

flatfoot816

the '71 rack with double Aarons was actually my rack going back to 2002. I bought it originally in a Teletrade auction for -- ready for this--$150 in the mid-90s.



It was one of the centerpieces of my collection. I was the one who had it slabbed by GAI. Fast forward to 2002--it was my 10th anniversary. My then wife never said boo about me spending $$ on cards so I wanted to buy her diamond earrings. In order to make the sacrifice "real" I decided to sell some of my prized collectibles.



The Aaron double rack was one of them. I sold it to Jerseyfive--who many of you older guys will remember. Larry had a GREAT collection. I sold it for $1,000.



When Larry sold his entire collection in ?? 2005--he sold this rack. I wanted it then but it went for a crazy $6K including the juice. Was auctioned by Mile High



There is no reason to believe it is bogus -- dates back to the mid'90s when I bought it.



--always wanted it back--but probably not going to happen. Good luck if you want it--great and rare piece



BTW--am now divorced and regret selling it in the 1st place!!!!!

seebelow

and there you have it..thanks for sharing its history..def adds to it....and sorry about that other thing that won't be spoken of

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wow. ..those are some beautiful lots.

PaulMaul

I noticed that the two Araon cells have the same card on the back as well. Does that suggest the two cells are identical somehow, and does that increase chances of legitimacy (hard to imagine someone creating a fake like that, since it seems so strange)?

flatfoot816

it was actually Mile High's 2007 auction and was lot 301. Sold for $4,600 + the juice

check the racks in that auction as there may be more from Jerseyfive's collection that is being consigned.

here is a link to the auction

Mile High 2007 auction

Dboneesq

Manny ... ALWAYS great to be able to add provenance to such an expensive pack. Thanks for your post. And YES, Larry had some AMAZING unopened products!

grote15

Originally posted by: PaulMaul

I noticed that the two Araon cells have the same card on the back as well. Does that suggest the two cells are identical somehow, and does that increase chances of legitimacy (hard to imagine someone creating a fake like that, since it seems so strange)?

That would add a level of authenticity in the sense that sequencing for both cells runs 18 cards deep off the sheet. It also means that same cards are in sequence for both cells, too.

jmoran19

Originally posted by: grote15

Originally posted by: PaulMaul
I noticed that the two Araon cells have the same card on the back as well. Does that suggest the two cells are identical somehow, and does that increase chances of legitimacy (hard to imagine someone creating a fake like that, since it seems so strange)?

That would add a level of authenticity in the sense that sequencing for both cells runs 18 cards deep off the sheet. It also means that same cards are in sequence for both cells, too.

Is that the sequencing signal I see, I'm on it!

jmoran19

for what it's worth Mr. Pina is #11 in sequence from Mr Aaron if said sequence moves right to left. #13 if moves left to right

grote15

Originally posted by: jmoran19

for what it's worth Mr. Pina is #11 in sequence from Mr Aaron if said sequence moves right to left. #13 if moves left to right

That would be odd, John, considering the cell should contain 18 cards in each section (if card count is correct in each section)?



I have opened racks in which card count per cell is +/- a card or possibly two, but not 4 or 6.



I'm thinking there may be a repeater sequence in each cell? Or Carnac needs to take off his shoes.. LOL..

KendallCat

Tim - you need to add unopened Topps racks and packs guru to your LinkedIn profile if you have one

seebelow

Its great to sit back and "listen" to tim, jmoran 70topps, et al discuss sequencing etc. Nice to learn about something i need to brush up on and never really addressed for my own education.



Thanks guys.