Anyone else tired of "high end" or "very high end" etc.?

belz · October 13, 2015 10:19AM

I'm sorry but it is driving my crazy...especially when strong sellers put that out there when the card shouldn't even have the grade. Just saw a new 1960 Mantle listed that is a PSA 8 for 2400 bucks...Very High End??? Come on...that card is almost OC. Just getting old..even the PWCC designation is stupid in my opinion. Sorry to be a grump, but what's high end to me is clearly not high end to most "high end" marketers..that's all.

mickeymantle24 · October 13, 2015 10:24AM

Agreed...I saw that listing as well. That guy normally does have what is considered "high end" Mantle cards for the grade. That psa 60T is as far from high end for the grade as it gets though. I believe a card that is high end for the grade will sell itself...no need for all the fancy designations.

BeRoyalKC · October 13, 2015 10:24AM

I am tired of every decent card being "pack fresh".

olb31 · October 13, 2015 10:37AM

i am tired of hearing how "clean or very clean" the card is. did they use windex?

wilkiebaby11 · October 13, 2015 10:41AM

<< i am tired of hearing how "clean or very clean" the card is. did they use windex? >>

Dboneesq · October 13, 2015 10:42AM

<< i am tired of hearing how "clean or very clean" the card is. did they use windex? >>

They didn't have to use windex ... they found the card in their grandfather's attic after he died, where it probably was put right after the pack was opened 55 years ago!!!! lol

seebelow · October 13, 2015 11:10AM

You're not alone in feeling that way. Such a waste of everyones time.

"Centered" or "Well-Centered" does it for me. There should be some minimum that they have to hit, say 60/40 at minimum but more 55/45.

In fact, the very seller you're talking about, check out his '63 "well centered high end" Mantle psa 8. Actually, save your time. Ridiculous.

KendallCat · October 13, 2015 11:12AM

<< I'm sorry but it is driving my crazy...especially when strong sellers put that out there when the card shouldn't even have the grade. Just saw a new 1960 Mantle listed that is a PSA 8 for 2400 bucks...Very High End??? Come on...that card is almost OC. Just getting old..even the PWCC designation is stupid in my opinion. Sorry to be a grump, but what's high end to me is clearly not high end to most "high end" marketers..that's all. >>

Agree on that one. If you look at every one of Bruce's listings they are all "centered" or "high end" - to me if everything is that way it makes people wonder. Kind of like going to a restaurant and you ask the waitress what is good and she says everything. Tell me the meatloaf stinks or something. If it is any consolation I will give your 58 Mantle 8.5 a "KC certified high end sticker!"

WalterSobchak · October 13, 2015 11:19AM

My estimate is that about one out of every four vintage cards on EBay with "CENTERED" in the title actually is well-centered.

belz · October 13, 2015 11:21AM

I did have a filet last night that was way high end but for the price, right on the money...KC, I'll take your designation!!! Haha, that's great. Mike needs a few KC designations as well!!!

DanBessette · October 13, 2015 12:01PM

All of that high end b.s. drives me friggin nuts. And you know what? I've never bid a dime more on any card because it was described as "high end."

Warriors8 · October 13, 2015 12:52PM

Yes sellers like to embellish their cards.

Warriors8 · October 13, 2015 12:53PM

<< My estimate is that about one out of every four vintage cards on EBay with "CENTERED" in the title actually is well-centered. >>

Sounds about right.

BaltimoreYankee · October 13, 2015 9:41PM

"High end" is the new "undergraded!".

I always get a chuckle when I see "undergraded" and then I look at the sellers other items and they are all "undergraded". I get tempted to send them a message asking if they have any "overgraded" cards but there are too many wackos out there.

PMKAY · October 14, 2015 1:23AM

<< I'm sorry but it is driving my crazy...especially when strong sellers put that out there when the card shouldn't even have the grade. Just saw a new 1960 Mantle listed that is a PSA 8 for 2400 bucks...Very High End??? Come on...that card is almost OC. Just getting old..even the PWCC designation is stupid in my opinion. Sorry to be a grump, but what's high end to me is clearly not high end to most "high end" marketers..that's all. >>

I'm okay with it as long as the card is also called "rare" in the title.

LarkinCollector · October 14, 2015 1:54AM

<< 

<< I'm sorry but it is driving my crazy...especially when strong sellers put that out there when the card shouldn't even have the grade. Just saw a new 1960 Mantle listed that is a PSA 8 for 2400 bucks...Very High End??? Come on...that card is almost OC. Just getting old..even the PWCC designation is stupid in my opinion. Sorry to be a grump, but what's high end to me is clearly not high end to most "high end" marketers..that's all. >>

I'm okay with it as long as the card is also called "rare" in the title. >>

and if 80 or newer, 'vintage' as well.

begsu1013 · October 14, 2015 2:30AM

1990-91 SKY BOX #229 KURT RAMBIS PSA 10 LQQK! UNDERGRADED, PACK FRESH, WELL CENTERED & MINTY FRESH!!!! SGC 98?

(part of my massive setbreak and possibly a bgs pristine, not pwcc)

low pop of 338. none higher. clean as can be w/ 4 razor sharp corners. ultra high end version and the epitome of holy grails.

don't miss your chance to snag this one, as another might not be around for a solid 15 minutes.

my loss is your gain.

stamped w/ the kc approval, complete w/ new frost free holder and combined shipping make this the steal-dejour.

buyers w/ less than zero feedback please contact me prior to placing a bid so that I may approve you first.

card must be shipped to a confirmed paypal address & i do not ship to canada or po boxes. NO EXCEPTIONS!

miwlvrn · October 14, 2015 2:32AM

You forgot to spam Set Break, BGS and PWCC in your Rambis title

begsu1013 · October 14, 2015 2:36AM

ok, now she should sell. had to pay the extra $1.50 to squeeze that in under the title...

but like they say: "takes money to make money!"

jay0791 · October 14, 2015 8:23AM

I'm OK with it as long as the PSA 9 OC has full PSA 9 SMR quoted.

Unknown · October 14, 2015 11:25AM

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addicted2ebay · October 14, 2015 12:03PM

No.

Stewie · October 14, 2015 12:06PM

If my shorts were on that tight, I'd be wearing that expression, too Rambis.

PMKAY · October 14, 2015 12:26PM

That's a must have for all Rambis collectors. $$$$$$. Investment potential.

Sdub · October 14, 2015 1:28PM

<< When PWCC certifies a card as high end, it might be......could be a very small issue that is holding it back.

When a seller like vintagescards (Bruce Perry) says its high end, it may be......but it may have been reviewed for review potential and rejected.

When others do, run for the hills. >>

+++This

Sdub · October 14, 2015 1:33PM

<< I'm sorry but it is driving my crazy...especially when strong sellers put that out there when the card shouldn't even have the grade. Just saw a new 1960 Mantle listed that is a PSA 8 for 2400 bucks...Very High End??? Come on...that card is almost OC. Just getting old..even the PWCC designation is stupid in my opinion. Sorry to be a grump, but what's high end to me is clearly not high end to most "high end" marketers..that's all. >>

I certainly hear your argument and makes complete sense. However, PWCC had about 7,500 items in their last auction. Maybe a few had a high-end certificate (3-5?). Correct me if I'm wrong, but PWCC is certainly not abusing the language, IMO.

Some of these sellers suggest "high-end" for 3,500 of their 7,500 consignments. Big difference.

belz · October 14, 2015 10:15PM

Sdub, To be clear, notthrowing Brent at PWCC under the bus at all...I just don't think certified high end is necessary and it doesn't make me want to bid higher on a card. Really though, my complaint and frustration has more to do with the sellers that just put these type of buzz words out there regardless of a true assessment.

jay0791 · October 15, 2015 5:49AM

Nice card but well...advertised well also

-Link

Stone193 · October 15, 2015 6:03AM

1. "From Vending" - I thought vending was on the bottom of the pile?

2. "Edges so sharp you can shave with 'em" - shaving cream and cardboard don't mix.

3. "Dripping with color" - hasn't the ink dried yet?

4. "Cards so clean you can eat of 'em" - I prefer tortilla chips.

5. "L@@K!" - no thanks.

6. 8+++++++ - really?

belz · October 15, 2015 8:28AM

Alright, it's a good thing I have gentlemans jack my family and 2 big games tonight, in that order haha...well...come on PWCC..anyone see it? Certified high end on a PSA 9 1967 Mantle...wait for it, wait for it...drum roll...it has the red dot over the S...as my son would text, SMH (shaking my head). Come on man!!!

seebelow · October 15, 2015 9:15AM

Oh, I know that Mantle. Its been on the market forever and I think he is tired of the cards questionables. Otherwise, it would have sold some time ago.

He may actually get what he's been asking, if not more. Because, 1. its PWCC and 2. someones gonna miss whats wrong with it. Im surprised it got by and received the high end certificate. Im probably not bidding. Def not bidding.

Great idea with the Jack (or Makers) and football.

edited....to add, turns out the moneyline added a little fun to the game

begsu1013 · October 15, 2015 10:26AM

<< 1990-91 SKY BOX #229 KURT RAMBIS PSA 10 LQQK! UNDERGRADED, PACK FRESH, WELL CENTERED & MINTY FRESH!!!! SGC 98?

(part of my massive setbreak and possibly a bgs pristine, not pwcc)

low pop of 338. none higher. clean as can be w/ 4 razor sharp corners. ultra high end version and the epitome of holy grails.

don't miss your chance to snag this one, as another might not be around for a solid 15 minutes.

my loss is your gain.

stamped w/ the kc approval, complete w/ new frost free holder and combined shipping make this the steal-dejour.

buyers w/ less than zero feedback please contact me prior to placing a bid so that I may approve you first.

card must be shipped to a confirmed paypal address & i do not ship to canada or po boxes. NO EXCEPTIONS! >>

edit: glitch.

does belong in the b/s/t forum, i suppose.

Anyone else tired of &quot;high end&quot; or &quot;very high end&quot; etc.?

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Anyone else tired of "high end" or "very high end" etc.?