1926 w512 sheet. figuratively torn.....

begsu1013

been collecting this set for a while. great lil set if anyone hasn't seen it, btw. pretty much covers all the bases from baseball, golf, boxing, tennis, swimming, stage stars (uncle fester & lon chaney aka the werewolf of london). even has a few print variations in the baseball players/teams.

anyways, i won this item a few weeks back and am torn on what to do w/ her. my first inclination and reasoning behind purchasing it was to slice her up for the ruth card. it's one of the major holes in the set as most ones offered on ebay are simply designated "a" assumingly because of the paper loss on the top right hand corner being worn over time. the sheet does have a few condition issues. entire bottom row has a crease and tape on the back. there are 2 holes where it was taped to a board for display: 1st through frankie fristch/novak. 2nd through weismuller/leonard and a stain on the right side of the fairbanks card. (have all these cards in decent grades already though).

there are a few other cards that i could use as well. mainly the hornsby and vance. and while i already have a good hagan, i could always use another.

the avg ruth card solely in "a" designation, price wise, is about what i paid. i think i got a very decent deal on her but my conundrum is do i keep her in tact or should i slice her up to fill the set....

would really like to hear what other collectors would do.

even playing the scenario as if it was something that helped you fill in your "hand cut" set....would you slice? or tuck away?

here are a few pics:

orioles93

Id leave it as is and frame it,, and buy the cards needed already cut. I imagine it is hard to find uncut sheets and i would leave it alone.

maddux69

Douglas Fairbanks- How did he do such fantastic stunts with such little feet?!

CollectorAtWork

Ordinarily I would say, don't cut the sheet. However, this sheet for W512 is actually fairly common. (I have one myself.) And given that it's not a high grade sheet w/ the tears and the hole, I would say just do with it what you want. There still seems to be a stain on the back of the Ruth part of the card, so it probably won't get a high number grade. However, there seem to be good sized borders and the corners look pretty nice, so I would guess that you could receive a 3-5 number grade on the card, depending on what PSA decides to do w/ the stain on the back.

Here's my sheet:

craig44

I second the leave as is and get it framed idea

DanBessette

It's a tough one, and normally I'd be for keeping it intact, but given the condition of the sheet I would slice it up.

Stewie

I might enjoy a soirée with Row 2. Keep as is.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>It's a tough one, and normally I'd be for keeping it intact, but given the condition of the sheet I would slice it up. >>


+1, and then sell me a PSA8 or better Hagen

begsu1013

<< <i> There still seems to be a stain on the back of the Ruth part of the card, so it probably won't get a high number grade. >>



caw,

thanks! and upon further examining, it does have a stain in the upper left hand corner, but also appears to have a "ghost" outline from another sheet behind it. when ya get a sec, could you look at the back of yours and lemme know if you see the outline of the bb players on the top row as well. pulled my singles out and none of them have this...

wondering if it's "bleed thru" or remnant of another wet sheet placed behind it for a bit...

ReggieCleveland

I've got a few strip card sheets myself and always kept them intact. I guess my question would be: you already have an AUTHENTIC Ruth, why cut it up to get it in a slab?

I guess if you bought it to flip then I could easily understand cutting it. But if you bought it as a collector, why bother? I guarantee you'll find a PSA A Ruth much sooner than you'll find an uncut sheet. But I also always err on the side of true rarity.

Either way, once you cut, you can't go back. So why do it now when you're clearly undecided? I would wait until you're forced to choose. You can always cut it later on down the road.

Arthur

begsu1013

reggie,

sorry if it was confusing, but I do not have a ruth at all. however that the avg, decent looking ruth in simply an "authentic" grade was about what I paid for this sheet.

I would like to get a ruth that at least has graded a 1 - 5....

ReggieCleveland

<< <i>reggie,

sorry if it was confusing, but I do not have a ruth at all. however that the avg, decent looking ruth in simply an "authentic" grade was about what I paid for this sheet.

I would like to get a ruth that at least has graded a 1 - 5.... >>



Yeah, my bad. When I was responding I scrolled back and saw the other sheet that would only get an 'A' from PSA. I still stand by my post though. A numerical Ruth will show up and you'll be able to grab it and then you'll have the best of both worlds. The strip cards, by themselves, aren't that rare. If I look into my crystal ball, I suspect the uncut sheet holding up better than a low- to mid-grade Ruth from the same set.

Either way, great pickup.

Arthur

CollectorAtWork

<< <i>

<< <i> There still seems to be a stain on the back of the Ruth part of the card, so it probably won't get a high number grade. >>



caw,

thanks! and upon further examining, it does have a stain in the upper left hand corner, but also appears to have a "ghost" outline from another sheet behind it. when ya get a sec, could you look at the back of yours and lemme know if you see the outline of the bb players on the top row as well. pulled my singles out and none of them have this...

wondering if it's "bleed thru" or remnant of another wet sheet placed behind it for a bit... >>



I just checked my sheet, and I don't have the bleed thru. I think you're right in that I don't think that this is common although I don't think it would add much of a premium to the price, but there could still be a little bit. Regardless, it's pretty cool. I'm no expert at all in this, but my guess is that is bleed thru rather than wet sheet transfer. I think wet sheet would look something like this from a W519 Type 1 that I have.

begsu1013

will get to the rest of the post in a sec...

just wanted to pause and say that is pretty fn cool! pic of the other side?

CollectorAtWork

<< <i>will get to the rest of the post in a sec...

just wanted to pause and say that is pretty fn cool! pic of the other side? >>



Thanks! Here's the other side:

begsu1013

gonna take this thread in a diff direction for a bit...

so cool! please give me the details behind this card....

wet sheet transfer or bleed thru?
pretty weak in prewar, is this considered a ghost image?
you submit?
common w this issue?
etc...

school me please!!

CollectorAtWork

Not an expert at this at all. For mine, yes, this is considered a ghost image, which I believe should be a product of wet sheet transfer where sheets lie on top of each other and some of the printing transfers over to the back of the other sheet. Ghost images aren't really common on any prewar cards. I purchased this card from a Hunt auction, where it was SGC encapsulated as Authentic. I'm more of a PSA guy, so I cracked the card out of the SGC holder, and submitted it to PSA.

For yours, it's possible that the Ruth would be considered a partial ghost image although it's more just the hair. The Hornsby and Frisch you see more of an outline of the entire player. These oddities usually only have a significant premium on T206's where a subset of those collectors go crazy over every little thing that is different on one of those cards.

GrandMasterB

Sorry for bringing up an old thread. What size are these normally? I bought one and is almost twice the size as my W551.

Thanks for the info,
Larry

LarkinCollector

2 1/4 x1 3/8" for singles

GrandMasterB

So the w512's are about the same size as the w551's! I guess this ones going back.

Thanks

LarkinCollector

I think the W551s are a touch more narrow (though it's tough to be sure with my W551 ), but yes they should be pretty close. Here's a side by side....