die adjustment strike?
LanceNewmanOCC
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whaddya think?
perhaps defunct stock/flan?
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if you are like me, you want to know how coins that are posted, well, end up.
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whaddya think?
perhaps defunct stock/flan?
UPDATE
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if you are like me, you want to know how coins that are posted, well, end up.
cert
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Maybe?
That's a real mushy one, for sure. Neato.
The striations along the proto-rim on the reverse are interesting.
i was thinking tapered flan if not for the central weakness.
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<< <i>Did you weight the planchet? >>
nope. maybe i will tomorrow.
runnun' on fumes right now.
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26.8grams
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it's what's called (not always accurately) a
Die Adjustment Strike.
Not enough tonnage of pressure to fully strike
up the devices. Nice coin, nice 'error'.
Fred
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Die Adjustment Strike.
Fred >>
ty
i did misspeak and meant to state die adjustment strike. i will change the title.
been going a little hard recently. may need to tone it back a bit.
VERY much appreciate confirmation of what i thought was the adjustment error but was not certain.
appreciate your compliment.
if you have the time, will you comment about the "marks" around the rim, especially the reverse. they resemble the adjustment filing marks of old.
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<< <i>Since the weight is correct (412 +- grains),
it's what's called (not always accurately) a
Die Adjustment Strike.
Not enough tonnage of pressure to fully strike
up the devices. Nice coin, nice 'error'.
Fred >>
be filing lines....can't tell for 100%, but considering
the overall look of the coin, that's probably what they are.
<< <i>Since the weight is correct (412 +- grains),
it's what's called (not always accurately) a
Die Adjustment Strike.
Not enough tonnage of pressure to fully strike
up the devices. Nice coin, nice 'error'.
Fred >>
way cool error, thanks fred
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been going a little hard recently. may need to tone it back a bit.
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Dude that is the only way to live, don't stop.
Very nice nice coin BTW.
<< <i>Very cool Lance, where did you find it? >>
from a dealer's nook&crannies at his shop that i am on pretty good terms with. gr8 guy.
hope to visit the shop soon as my adventure there was too short due to my missing an essential detour. oops
at the time, no idea if i paid too much or too little. actually still dont know but i really like the coin, especially since it is a PEACE dollar.
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tyvm EOC
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<< <i>Very cool Lance, where did you find it? >>
from a dealer's nook&crannies at his shop that i am on pretty good terms with. gr8 guy.
hope to visit the shop soon as my adventure there was too short due to my missing an essential detour. oops
at the time, no idea if i paid too much or too little. actually still dont know but i really like the coin, especially since it is a PEACE dollar.
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tyvm EOC
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I would be doing a lot of digging in those nooks and grannies.
<< <i>Possible low pressure strike or thin planchet.
The striations along the proto-rim on the reverse are interesting. >>
I suspect they are from the drawing bench. After the ingots were rolled down to just slightly more than the desired finished thickness, the planchet strips were pulled through a gate in a steel block that reduced it to the precise desired thickness. If debris built up on the edge of the gate, it could leave long, shallow scratches down the length of the strip. When the blanks were punched out and the coins struck most of this scratching would be struck flat, but on high areas such as the rim it could survive, especially since the rim could have been work hardened a bit by the upsetting mill.
this is good to have posted here since many types of errors resemble other ones and knowledge/experience/consultation can often be necessary to diagnose them
properly. as in this case.
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First time seeing this... How did I miss this thread?
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<< <i>Very cool Lance, where did you find it? >>
from a dealer's nook&crannies at his shop that i am on pretty good terms with. gr8 guy.
hope to visit the shop soon as my adventure there was too short due to my missing an essential detour. oops
at the time, no idea if i paid too much or too little. actually still don't know but i really like the coin, especially since it is a PEACE dollar.
If it slabs as a Die Adjustment Strike instead of Weak Strike it's a huge score and you'll be fine.
As I recall from a few years back there where only about 4 DAS's known for the series so this could be a major You Suck!
<< <i>Very cool find!
First time seeing this... How did I miss this thread?
tyvm and it means a lot coming from someone with many major errors i've oogled over.
dont know how you missed it but ive asked myself this dozens of times with cool threads.
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Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
sheesh. forum/cloud or something went all Frankie Muniz (ocean's twelve - a fav. movie of mine) on me.
reeds are shallow and wide. similar to the morgan wide reeds but shallow. with a "normal" peace side-by-side, there is a noticeable difference.
26.8 grams which fredw confirmed as in tolerance 412 grains or so iirc.
dont have a laser micrometer but i do have a plastic one that should suffice if need be.
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reed shots added with 3 other different year/mm peace dollars.
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Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
<< <i>Nice! I reiterate "major score!" >>
ty mr. prez
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A Die Trial Adjustment Strike is a planchet used by the press operator to adjust the proper press striking pressure prior to doing a production run.
<< <i>Here's my only DAS on which the rims are not fully formed and it's completely non reeded. >>
ase das wow
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Congrats on the great find.
I'm not expert but it's just what I'd expect to see.
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Arrgh. Corrupted file.
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<< <i>Possible low pressure strike or thin planchet.
The striations along the proto-rim on the reverse are interesting. >>
I suspect they are from the drawing bench. After the ingots were rolled down to just slightly more than the desired finished thickness, the planchet strips were pulled through a gate in a steel block that reduced it to the precise desired thickness. If debris built up on the edge of the gate, it could leave long, shallow scratches down the length of the strip. When the blanks were punched out and the coins struck most of this scratching would be struck flat, but on high areas such as the rim it could survive, especially since the rim could have been work hardened a bit by the upsetting mill. >>
I am advised by Roger Burdette that the drawing bench was no longer in use at the Mint by the time of the Peace dollars. I guess that the quality of the rolling mills had advanced enough by then that it was no longer needed.
TD
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<< <i>Possible low pressure strike or thin planchet.
The striations along the proto-rim on the reverse are interesting. >>
I suspect they are from the drawing bench. After the ingots were rolled down to just slightly more than the desired finished thickness, the planchet strips were pulled through a gate in a steel block that reduced it to the precise desired thickness. If debris built up on the edge of the gate, it could leave long, shallow scratches down the length of the strip. When the blanks were punched out and the coins struck most of this scratching would be struck flat, but on high areas such as the rim it could survive, especially since the rim could have been work hardened a bit by the upsetting mill. >>
I am advised by Roger Burdette that the drawing bench was no longer in use at the Mint by the time of the Peace dollars. I guess that the quality of the rolling mills had advanced enough by then that it was no longer needed.
TD >>
Thank you for the info, it is good to keep that in mind when figuring out the markings on a coin.
The edge images are interesting. If this were a trial strike would it have been reeded? Would it in essence be a double trial coin where thay were adjusting the reeding and the strike?
I am very jealous of your coin but very happy for you as that will make a fantastic piece to your collection and will always be able to be talked about.
update in op
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Fancy wording as it's not a Die Adjustment Strike or Die Trial.
Wonder what part was glanced at to grade it MS64?
i do often wonder this about some graded errors.
i can say i this case, the satiny and flashy luster is captivating.
the only other pcgs example ive seen is graded, but ms61 and is called adjustment. i think
this is the first to state die set-up.
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i do often wonder this about some graded errors.
i can say i this case, the satiny and flashy luster is captivating.
the only other pcgs example ive seen is graded, but ms61 and is called adjustment. i think
this is the first to state die set-up.
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As I recall I haven't seen die set up strike used before either.
My ASE DAS is graded PCGS MS62 which I had to question too.
ANACS and NGC in the early days of TPG error grading would just call them UNC or MS60.
I have a mint error buddy that collects blank planchets TPG graded and at times upgrades a MS61 to MS62.
I have a LOT of fun questioning how his new higher graded example betters his old?
those secret stock holders know upping subs increases their back-end divies.
and therefore subs are essentially free from the residuals?
then again i am a big conspiracy guy. every time i let go, they do something to draw me back in. arrghhh
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Congrats on the cool find.
Very cool dollar.