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Card Stock and Error Variations in Registry Master Player Sets?

Would variations in card stock (e.g. white and grey backs in 1990 and 1991 Topps Traded) be eligible for separate slots in master player sets? What about back variations (e.g. bold vs. "ghosted" 40th logo backs in 1991 Topps). Would there be separate slots for ERR and COR versions?

If so, would I be able to send in already slabbed cards that don't have the above designated on the flip to be reholdered so that these variations are indicated?


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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Would variations in card stock (e.g. white and grey backs in 1990 and 1991 Topps Traded) be eligible for separate slots in master player sets? What about back variations (e.g. bold vs. "ghosted" 40th logo backs in 1991 Topps). Would there be separate slots for ERR and COR versions?

    If so, would I be able to send in already slabbed cards that don't have the above designated on the flip to be reholdered so that these variations are indicated? >>


    Unlikely, PSA will not recognize a lot of these variations on the flips for even more obvious sheet code differences. Card stock differences are only noted for a few older issues, 56T BB comes to mind, but then they don't for 60T BB.

    ETA: I think a lot of it comes down to the quantity already graded since these variations were not noted from the start. They would be getting tons of MECH ERROR returns to get everything labeled correctly, without any accompanying revenue. Though I do think it would drive more new submissions as well with people trying to complete registries, it's probably not enough to offset all the freebies.
  • Personally, I'm happy to pay to have them re-holdered. And I guess I can live without these cards being added to master sets. I'm still going to collect the variations for my player and ultimately I'd just like to have the info on the flip for my own display and enjoyment.


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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm still going to collect the variations for my player and ultimately I'd just like to have the info on the flip for my own display and enjoyment. >>


    I totally agree image
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Would variations in card stock (e.g. white and grey backs in 1990 and 1991 Topps Traded) be eligible for separate slots in master player sets? What about back variations (e.g. bold vs. "ghosted" 40th logo backs in 1991 Topps). Would there be separate slots for ERR and COR versions?

    If so, would I be able to send in already slabbed cards that don't have the above designated on the flip to be reholdered so that these variations are indicated? >>


    Unlikely, PSA will not recognize a lot of these variations on the flips for even more obvious sheet code differences. Card stock differences are only noted for a few older issues, 56T BB comes to mind, but then they don't for 60T BB.

    ETA: I think a lot of it comes down to the quantity already graded since these variations were not noted from the start. They would be getting tons of MECH ERROR returns to get everything labeled correctly, without any accompanying revenue. Though I do think it would drive more new submissions as well with people trying to complete registries, it's probably not enough to offset all the freebies. >>



    Yes, if they start recognizing a variation on the flip, you absolutely can send in your item for mech error correction. This occurs quite often, maybe way more frequently than you realize. The population report is indeed inaccurate for cards w/ variances due to mislabeling.

    Yes, as soon as a variant is recognized on the flip for the first time, you can immediately put in your request to add it as a new item in the required master set composition.

  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Greg is spot-on. The key is getting PSA to recognize the variation. Once they do one some flips, adding the item to the master set is easy peasy.
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Would variations in card stock (e.g. white and grey backs in 1990 and 1991 Topps Traded) be eligible for separate slots in master player sets? What about back variations (e.g. bold vs. "ghosted" 40th logo backs in 1991 Topps). Would there be separate slots for ERR and COR versions?

    If so, would I be able to send in already slabbed cards that don't have the above designated on the flip to be reholdered so that these variations are indicated? >>



    I'm not familiar enough with the 1990 & 1991 cards to know if the back color variance is likely to be specified on a flip by a grading company.

    Besides Kyle's mention of 1956 Topps baseball, consider also 1981 OPC baseball. Why in the world they therefore don't also recognize 1973 OPC hockey gray back vs. white back, or, 1946 Montiel Orange border vs. Yellow border, remains a mystery but I would expect both of these examples will finally be labeled with color distinction eventually.



  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Would variations in card stock (e.g. white and grey backs in 1990 and 1991 Topps Traded) be eligible for separate slots in master player sets? What about back variations (e.g. bold vs. "ghosted" 40th logo backs in 1991 Topps). Would there be separate slots for ERR and COR versions?

    If so, would I be able to send in already slabbed cards that don't have the above designated on the flip to be reholdered so that these variations are indicated? >>



    I'm not familiar enough with the 1990 & 1991 cards to know if the back color variance is likely to be specified on a flip by a grading company.

    Besides Kyle's mention of 1956 Topps baseball, consider also 1981 OPC baseball. Why in the world they therefore don't also recognize 1973 OPC hockey gray back vs. white back, or, 1946 Montiel Orange border vs. Yellow border, remains a mystery but I would expect both of these examples will finally be labeled with color distinction eventually. >>


    or 79T FB cream vs gray or 71-72F Globetrotters white vs. gray or 91TSC BB sheet code variations (A/B, C/D, or E/F) or 91 (E*, E *, or E**) & 92B (E or E*) sheet code variations or recent discussion on 94T BB w/missing sheet codes or <insert most sets with variations> image I think the standard response is they only note a variation if there's a premium in price for one or the other, so if they're roughly equal value they push back on notating it even if it's mentioned in the price guides. The problem is when there is a big difference in difficulty in obtaining one, but most people don't know about it, so therefore there is no premium in price realized. Catch 22. I know on most of those I mentioned, I would pay a significant price difference to obtain the difficult ones image
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    Are the Montiel's orange, red and yellow or are there just two variations in the colors???
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  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SCD discusses there being both orange and yellow border varieties of Propogandas Montiel. Therefore, PSA should in turn recognize the orange vs. yellow variety on the flip since it is published and validated in SCD, right?

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: miwlvrn
    SCD discusses there being both orange and yellow border varieties of Propogandas Montiel. Therefore, PSA should in turn recognize the orange vs. yellow variety on the flip since it is published and validated in SCD, right?


    Not necessarily! As I have posted in the past, I have three distinctly different 1967 Killebrew Punch-outs (all graded by PSA) SCD says they are three separate variations. PSA first refused to add them, then added when SCD confirmed they were different, then changed their minds again and allows only one in the master set. When I lose the top spot in the Killebrew registry (partially) because of this, I am going to be pi$$ed! image

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