few conversations about unopened
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I have noticed lately there haven't been nearly as many conversations about unopened material. They used to be quite frequent but not so much any. Anyone else miss that aspect of this forum?? I never had much to add but loved all the knowledge I gained from reading.
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<< <i> There is still nothing better in the hobby then opening a pristine pack/box/case of cards and hitting that one amazing card. >>
It's definitely for wealthy adrenaline junkies, LOL. I've had a lot more success digging up raw beauties at shows to submit than I've ever had from ripping, and it's a helluva lot cheaper. But it's also a lot more boring!
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<< <i> There is still nothing better in the hobby then opening a pristine pack/box/case of cards and hitting that one amazing card. >>
It's definitely for wealthy adrenaline junkies, LOL. I've had a lot more success digging up raw beauties at shows to submit than I've ever had from ripping, and it's a helluva lot cheaper. But it's also a lot more boring! >>
This is why I stick to 1989 Topps Hockey. $25/box average and it's exciting every time I pull a Lemieux, Gretzky, Leetch, Sakic and any other card that I'm looking for that has a shot at PSA 10. I've opened 84 boxes in the past year and it hasn't gotten old.
B/c there's none (or insanely high prices) to buy anymore!
When i first signed on this board our group breaks would include multiple 70s boxes. Now that many of those are 2X or 3X, or just not available anymore, the conversation has slowed down.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>so here's my theory on why topics have slowed down here:
B/c there's none (or insanely high prices) to buy anymore!
When i first signed on this board our group breaks would include multiple 70s boxes. Now that many of those are 2X or 3X, or just not available anymore, the conversation has slowed down. >>
I think, too, most people around here are holding onto their expensive unopened purchases instead of ripping and sharing. If the case, I don't really blame them!
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<< <i>I agree we need more box rips. >>
anyone else notice bbce has 1979 opc baseball boxes with tape still intact for $550? id be down for busting a few of those if there was enough interest out there!
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<< <i>I agree we need more box rips. >>
anyone else notice bbce has 1979 opc baseball boxes with tape still intact for $550? id be down for busting a few of those if there was enough interest out there! >>
I'd likely be in for a few of those @ ~$15/pack. Why is the OPC from that year so much less than Topps? A chance to pull an Ozzie rookie from a pack sounds good
<< <i>If you watch BST, I saw several 74 graded and a 76 pack listed at roughly 50% of BBCE raw price, and sat for over a week. >>
Retail prices have definitely come off BBCE prices at least for the more common issues.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I agree we need more box rips. >>
anyone else notice bbce has 1979 opc baseball boxes with tape still intact for $550? id be down for busting a few of those if there was enough interest out there! >>
I'd likely be in for a few of those @ ~$15/pack. Why is the OPC from that year so much less than Topps? A chance to pull an Ozzie rookie from a pack sounds good
Centering is brutal for that issue. But main difference is lack of interest in OPC vs Topps.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Centering is brutal for that issue. But main difference is lack of interest in OPC vs Topps. >>
Is gum staining as bad as some of the early 70s OPC?
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<< <i>Centering is brutal for that issue. But main difference is lack of interest in OPC vs Topps. >>
Is gum staining as bad as some of the early 70s OPC? >>
Not as bad as that but worse than Topps.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
There's actually two directions the "Unopened" takes on our forum.
1. Buy a box and rip it with the implication of hunting for the rare Gem.
2. Buy a box and keep it unmolested since we can imagine that all the cards are gems.
Where do we all fall in these 2 categories?
I buy and never open - there's others like that.
I believe both groups very nicely complement each other since the more "they" rip? The more scarce the stuff becomes for the "unopened" collector's inventory.
I've done the same as belz and a few others and pretty much have sold all of my unopened early 70s on up (some 60s wax). kept some early 80s to rip and did rip some vintage so had that fun. then reinvested it in some particular high grade cards.
1. couldn't believe the amount of physical space i freed up...and why did i need multiple boxes of a particular year that i was never going to open...so sold them at a nice discount to primarily CU members.
2. was tired of waiting for a 71 box to turn up...then didn't really want to pay mid five figures if ever.
3. had a pretty good mint box collection, great to look at but wanted to take advantage of the crazy prices...i think they will cont to climb at a slower pace but then how many are going to pay 20, or 30k for a box...or more....would have loved some 60 s boxes but u know how that goes. i see myself priced out from now on.
4. a little info..some of the guys i sold to said that they will put them away and never sell them or see the light of day...and these were spectacular boxes...point being, i agree that the amount we see are less and less. and the prices should steadily climb. who knows i may ease on back into boxes
and believe me the unopened box market is strong. a lot of guys i sold to have amazing collections and they're still buying...just can't find what they want.
the boxes themselves are great to look at but so is a nicely centered, sharp cornered, vibrant piece of cardboard..did i just write that? ha
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<< <i>they (group rips) were so popular i missed out of a lot...you had to submit your picks literally within the first minute at 9pm sharp. or were knocked out of the premium boxes, packs. boy, how that has changed. steve always gave us 10% discount which slowly faded away, mostly.
I've done the same as belz and a few others and pretty much have sold all of my unopened early 70s on up (some 60s wax). kept some early 80s to rip and did rip some vintage so had that fun. then reinvested it in some particular high grade cards.
1. couldn't believe the amount of physical space i freed up...and why did i need multiple boxes of a particular year that i was never going to open...so sold them at a nice discount to primarily CU members.
2. was tired of waiting for a 71 box to turn up...then didn't really want to pay mid five figures if ever.
3. had a pretty good mint box collection, great to look at but wanted to take advantage of the crazy prices...i think they will cont to climb at a slower pace but then how many are going to pay 20, or 30k for a box...or more....would have loved some 60 s boxes but u know how that goes. i see myself priced out from now on.
4. a little info..some of the guys i sold to said that they will put them away and never sell them or see the light of day...and these were spectacular boxes...point being, i agree that the amount we see are less and less. and the prices should steadily climb. who knows i may ease on back into boxes
the boxes themselves are great to look at but so is a nicely centered, sharp cornered, vibrant piece of cardboard..did i just write that? ha >>
Spot on with what I did...😉 glad I'm not alone
the point that box prices have made it unattractive to rip packs for many of those years.
However, there are still reasonable vintage 70s BB Topps rips to be had. 1975 wax minis (assuming they are not from a
case labeled 212351) and 1975 regular cellos (Fritsch is loaded with them) are still in the realm of consideration.
And 1979 price per pack is now fallen back to around $45. And that 79 tray case has been on the BBCE site long
enough that perhaps they would consider offering it at something more along the lines of what the pack price per box
is now (case would be about $26k) for a board break.
Fritsch has gotten quite high on the 1970 cellos listed on ebay, but if you know the collating sequences there are still some
hot packs out there to be had which will probably yield the expected star (of course centering is going to be unpredictable).
Maybe an interesting topic to add to this discussion is to ask for opinions about at what point does the price per pack get
too high (relative to what could be pulled) to justify breaking a box in a group rip for each year and packaging. For example,
1979 wax packs are costing about $45/pack from a full box today (a year ago they were $55). At what price does a 1979
wax pack no longer seem a fun/attractive rip?
Dave
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<< <i>I definitely fall into the adrenaline junkie crowd, at least for the premium stuff. I'd LOVE to bust a box of sealed 86-87 Fleer Basketball with 35 other nuts. >>
At around $1000/pack it's not likely you are going to find 35 other nuts to join you. We did do a break abot 2 years ago of an 86-87 Fleer box
at about $450/pack as I recall. That one worked out pretty well.
Dave
<< <i>I have a question for discussion...
There's actually two directions the "Unopened" takes on our forum.
1. Buy a box and rip it with the implication of hunting for the rare Gem.
2. Buy a box and keep it unmolested since we can imagine that all the cards are gems.
Where do we all fall in these 2 categories?
I buy and never open - there's others like that.
I believe both groups very nicely complement each other since the more "they" rip? The more scarce the stuff becomes for the "unopened" collector's inventory. >>
Mike, I'm pretty much a member of both camps, having ripped my share of 1970s unopened product, but I still consider myself an "unopned" collector, primarily.
I think the bull run we witnessed attracted a lot of buyers, not necessarily unopened collectors, but those who got swept up in the frenzy and saw an opportunity for rapid value appreciation.
I think there is an inherent appeal to unopened product, and it is always going to be a part of the hobby that generates a great deal of attention and excitement, but I also think we will see a lot of interest waxing and waning as some of the collectors attracted by the bull run move onto other areas of collecting within the hobby.
Ripping vintage is always going to be a risky proposition~but there are better issues than others for that. 75 minis still provide as strong an upside as any other issue from the 1970s, even though centering can be maddening, certainly.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I am in the market for 1973 OPC baseball box if anyone knows of one!
<< <i>I am in the market for 1973 OPC baseball box if anyone knows of one! >>
Get in line, Scott, LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>At what price does a 1979 wax pack no longer seem a fun/attractive rip? >>
Around $20/pack. For a handful of O/C commons (most likely proposition), above that's the point where I wouldn't be interested, but rippers only set the floor on what unopened should go for.
<< <i>I have a question for discussion...
There's actually two directions the "Unopened" takes on our forum.
1. Buy a box and rip it with the implication of hunting for the rare Gem.
2. Buy a box and keep it unmolested since we can imagine that all the cards are gems.
Where do we all fall in these 2 categories?
I buy and never open - there's others like that.
I believe both groups very nicely complement each other since the more "they" rip? The more scarce the stuff becomes for the "unopened" collector's inventory. >>
If I were an unopened buyer / collector I would be in the buy and never open camp also. Most of the boxes I see being bought and ripped on here are cost prohibitive to open unless you have $$$ to burn or feel really lucky that you will hit the card you need to grade 9 or 10. And some of the graded packs I see being opened that yield snake eyes, yikes, that's not for me LOL. Just my take on that. I do enjoy seeing the pics of the unopened collections, that's cool stuff
I've been collecting 1970's football unopened to keep. I still have a bunch of 1990's FB Boxes to get my rip fix.
<< <i>I sold that famous team owner a 1979 football rack box. always curious if he was stashed it away or ripped it >>
Are we talking about Hal Steinbrenner? He has been a buyer of Wacky Packages in the past as well.
<< <i>esquire...was that 75 opc box from me? i hope it was...it was a nice box and i tried to sell most of the stuff to the good guys on board here...it took me awhile to locate that box...had it awhile..either way congrats >>
Nope. Someone beat me to yours, unfortunately. While I generally avoid duplicates of unopened, 1975 OPC is one box I'd definitely happily make an exception for.
<< <i>At what price does a 1979
wax pack no longer seem a fun/attractive rip? >>
IMO, that ship has sailed. Right now Steve has boxes at $1500 - that's still a lot of dough.
I have no experience in opening 79T wax - I wouldn't be surprised if ya only get 1 Oz RC from a box?
I have done vending in 78 and 79T - got a nice Molly RC (8) and no Oz or Ryan in the 79 box.
I did send a bunch of 78s to Youngblood when he posted here and he got like 5 10s!
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<< <i>I sold that famous team owner a 1979 football rack box. always curious if he was stashed it away or ripped it >>
Are we talking about Hal Steinbrenner? He has been a buyer of Wacky Packages in the past as well. >>
If it is Steinbrenner his is a buy and rip guy, and usually the cost of the box has not been an issue (i.e.
he's ripped 1971 Topps BB wax in the past).
Dave