n4: questionable authenticity? pete rose rookie (psa fixed!)

begsu1013

bought this card a long time ago. maybe 3-4 years ago....

this is a blue flip signed rose rookie card:

83450084 0101635370 1963 TOPPS 537 1963 ROOKIE STARS ROSE, PETE GEM MT 10



just sent it in for a graded red flip and it gets this:

N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1963 Topps 537 1963 Rookie Stars



looking for a scan of the actual card, but says 1963 ROOKIE STARS on the blue flip. not "trading or reprint" like it would on a blue flip if it was a reprint...


if it is, indeed a reprint card inside what would my recourse be w/ PSA?

edit: case was perfect. no frosting or cracks.

LarkinCollector

Since the blue flip does not authenticate the card, I have a feeling you would be attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and there is some recourse.

begsu1013

kinda makes sense.

just don't understand why they'd designate some cards as "reprint or trade card" on the flip and then some as "1963 topps".

seems like there should be some sort of consistency there, esp on rookie cards.

this would also leave the door wide open to say that any card in a blue flip has the possibility of being a reprint by at least not representing legit or not.

charrigan

I believe it to be a "guess".

If the card is obviously a reprint, the flip says Trading Card.

If the card appears to be legitimate, the flip says year and maker.

It is not authenticated or closely inspected, though, as blue flips go through the PSA/DNA process only.

Still, it wouldn't hurt to call and ask, as it is a bit misleading.

Hope PSA offers some help or to take another look at the card to see if it may in fact be genuine.

lmf

It doesn't surprise me at all your blue flip treasure is a dud a lot of collectors don't realize that blue flip autos only authenticate the auto, the card may be a reprint or altered or just beat up so bad psa wouldn't number grade it . The old saying you get what you pay for there's a reason blue flips are abundant and much cheaper, also blue flips are not on the pop report. I was checking eBay the other day came across one of the best auto rc collections ever Go to probstein 123 in the store ,tab is 4 tubs If You want see On your next rc auto purchase unless you know the seller well I'd pass on the blue flips. To much can go wrong.

begsu1013

thanks guys!

obviously the rose rookie is/was heavily counterfeited/reprinted and i am certainly not an expert by any means.

i do have a nice red flipped one and immediately did the comparative test as soon as the signed one arrived.

it has the darker tone yellow back as it should, heads weren't pixelated, etc

certainly passed on several other signed versions simply because it specifically stated "trading card".

and thought this one was legit considering the above.

just started doing a signed rookie card set and it was fine sitting in the blue flip til recently.

ya live and ya learn, i guess.

will certainly make a call as this, imo, is certainly a grey area and should be immediately remedied.

as always, could be worse...

imagine the shock if someone forked out an ungodly amount on a card labeled "52 topps mantle" only to find out it's a d@mn fine $10 reprint...

lmf

Yea I feel for that guy but someone probably did , in fact there are many collectors holding blue flips right now that when they try to go red flip they will be in for a bumpy ride, I see only two options for future rc auto collectors buy a graded card crack it then get it signed in person carefully then get the auto authenticated and the card graded in a red flip or buy one from someone who already went through the process. You don't see the auto rc red flips with high grade cards to often anywhere ,shows eBay the net shops etc so when they come up best bet is buy it or you may be waiting a long time for another in that quality.

begsu1013

i completely agree. nicely centered signed red versions are tough.

been posting my recent pick ups in the set registry forum and net54 board.

(just didn't want to take over the july/august pick up threads)

more condensed

you also have to watch out for altered/trimmed cards...

luckily i haven't ran across any so far, but i do keep an eye out for them.

if something is suspect i will usually get the ok ahead of time to return should it come back altered.

lmf

You've got some nice stuff that mantles very rare in any condition and the Gwynn in a 9 being he's deceased will be the highest graded probably forever reason being who had a 10 signed ? And that he can't sign any more so 9 is a safe bet to hold the top spot. Collectors at this point realize a red flip hof high grade rc auto is as good of an investment as it gets and if the player is deceased well sky's the limit in some cases , remember the card quality is as important as the auto quality then add in a beautiful rare inscription , home run now and forever.

begsu1013

thanks! keep adding all the time and there's a good lil chunk that's at psa now.

and i could be wrong, but i think we are sorta on the forefront of the psa/dna red flip graded card trek...

they are adding basic player sets. i wasn't sure if they would add these, but i asked requested for ryan, rose & mantle sets and they approved them.

just playing the waiting game on psa getting them loaded. but they are listed on the "sets requested" page.

i think it will only be a matter of time before other registry set builders will start these sets once their reg sets are completed.

so scooping up what i can now...

craig44

I feel for you on the rose. I think most people would believe the card to be authentic if the flip said 1963 topps. Seems a bit misleading

begsu1013

just wanted to add this in here. seems to be the only one i got. this is simply a scan, cut to size, inserted into a card saver and glued to the front of a bcw storage box.

just my way of storage and this box represents a basic topps signed card from every year. 63 - 87 or so i thought! (ha)

anyways, thought it was going into a red flip.

you'll see the "63 topps" flip, the card is even slightly oc, borders are not bright white, etc.

curious to see how it comes back. if they change the blue flip or send it back as is....

i guess my argument would be that they do indicate that it's a "63 topps" when in fact, it might not be.

they should not be doing this, imo. regardless of the blue flip non card authentication....

begsu1013

just wanted to update this thread and give a proper psa on behalf of psa:

i called in last week and just told them what had transpired and that they might want to
re-think their stance on someone being able to have a blue flip card read "63 topps" when it
was a repro/reprint regardless of flip color. didn't ask for a manager, just spoke w/ matt a customer service rep.

didn't ask for a thing as i was prepared to chalk it up as a learning experience.

anyways, flash fwd to today. get a call from an 888 number this am. debated about picking it up.
recently moved locations and been getting killed on solicitor calls here lately.

anyways, it was a director of ops. (leaving name out) and he acknowledged the error.

guy was super nice and they are taking care of me on this.

btw: the best call thus far has been from carnival cruise line. starts off w/ a loud ship horn in my ear alerting me that i've just won a free cruise.
think i'm up to 4 free cruises now?

edit: thank you very much guys for stepping up, even though technically ya didn't have to...it's reassuring to say the least!

addicted2ebay

Good to hear. That was a misleading flip.

lmf

Once again I never liked the way psa labels blue flips to easy for unknowing collectors to be taken , and now with rookie card hof autos and set,and player autos getting so popular and collectable for registries I see more problems in the future. Psa should have a one time turn in for blue flips on suspect cards to try an clear the market,if they want go the extra mile.