anyone ever been blocked by...

olb31

New england sports cards, I just did. i buy from the them from time to time, but they where unhappy when I complained about 4 cards that had wax stains on the back. They wanted me to pay to send them back including tracking. When I informed them that the new ebay procedure for "items not as described" is that they are to provide the return shipping label, they became a little upset. The 4 cards were 4 1987 fleer basketball cards that totaled $8.50. So sending them back wouldn't have made any sense from my end.

This is the third time that I had received cards with gum/wax stains on them from NESC. I had not complained before, but since this had happened several other times, i just kind of took the position that I wouldn't do that to my client. In fact i received a 1987 fleer ewing today with a large wax stain on the back and the gentleman refunded my money instantly, just like I would do if I sold an item like this to my customer.

I'm sure I 'll get squashed with this post, just thought it was interesting that i could get blocked for wanting what I had purchased.

LarkinCollector

I haven't been blocked by them, but personally haven't purchased from them in a long time and never will again.

ETA: Oddly, I've never had anything to complain about with purchases from their sister site/company/eBay ID.

KbKards

If gum or wax stains are important to you when buying $2 commons that were probably listed in a condition less than Mint, then you should ask sellers if the cards have any before buying. Opening cases for "items not as described" on $2 commons that most sellers won't take the time to describe in detail is wrong when you could have prevented it by asking the seller a question. It was once with the Ewing guy, 3 times with NESC, do you see that maybe there's something you can do to prevent this from happening.

charrigan

I've had a similar experience with Burbank Sports Cards.

If I buy an expensive card and there's an issue, I have no problem returning it.

If I buy a card for $1, it's kind of frustrating to get a damaged item and then have to go through the hassle of dealing with it. It's just not worth it from a time:money perspective. I wish those sellers would be stand-up enough to just refund. As is, the only real option is a neg - which I exercised and didn't retract.

So, Banhammer. Which is, of course, their right. But, the whole thing seems kind of silly.

skrezyna23

NESC Ive bought from them on several occasions but my friend handled the process once received.

Burbank Sports Cards lists just about all their cards as NM-MT with stock photos. I know they just sift through multiples of each card and give you "the best available." I just bought 24 chrome/chrome refractors from them to ship to Korea. Hope they end up PSA 9s. Not sure I an count on them to have clean, non-chipped edges on non-chrome cards, or even four sharp corners.

sportscardstop

If I was buying a card that was NM or better, I would expect it to not have a stain. A tiny stain on the back of a NM I would be fine with. But a stain is something that should be mentioned in a NM or better listing. Especially if a back photo is not available or if it is not visible in a scan.

80sOPC

The thing with NESC is that you have to assume that all the cards that are gradable would have been graded and sold through 4SC. So if you see a nicely centered card with good corners selling for cheap there is obviously an issue, and if you are looking for gradables then they are probably not the best shop to try and find a gem. They are a high volume seller and I get that they wouldn't have full descriptions or back scans on low value items. I think far too many buyers have unrealistic expectations on low value purchases and in this day of grading buyers want the upside of hitting a hidden gem without the risk. Not saying this is you, but I hear it quite a bit on these forums.

All that said, I've had great luck getting nice but mostly ungradeable cards from them. I actually just hit a 81 OPC Kurri 9 that I bought off them for 25 bucks. So they do miss a few, but I always buy expecting nice clean cards with flaws that make them poor candidates for grading.

GoDodgersFan

I don't buy from NESC as I know they are the outlet for 4SC. As for the blocking, they have every right to block a buyer.

bishop

I like cards with gum or wax stains. Gives them character

I buy a lot of variant cards . When I spot one I usually contact the seller and tell them I want to be sure I am getting the card I the scan. I used to describe the variance to be sure they understood what I was looking for, but in a couple of cases they then told me the card was not available. When that happened I was unsure if it was because it was really not available or they wanted to see if they were underpricing a variation. :-)

If a seller thinks I am likely to be high maintenance customer on an ongoing basis I would not surprised to be blocked.

olb31

<< <i>If gum or wax stains are important to you when buying $2 commons that were probably listed in a condition less than Mint, then you should ask sellers if the cards have any before buying. Opening cases for "items not as described" on $2 commons that most sellers won't take the time to describe in detail is wrong when you could have prevented it by asking the seller a question. It was once with the Ewing guy, 3 times with NESC, do you see that maybe there's something you can do to prevent this from happening. >>



the condition in the nesc auction heading said "mint" all of them. the ewing card from the other seller said nm-mt and he refunded me instantly. if you list 100,000 cards and get $2 and $3 from 25,000 (i bought 14 cards and 4 of them had stains) of them that have wax stains and no one complains, then you just made $50,000 - $75,000 from selling wax stained commons and semi-stars. sounds like a decent living, huh?

olb31

<< <i>I've had a similar experience with Burbank Sports Cards.

If I buy an expensive card and there's an issue, I have no problem returning it.

If I buy a card for $1, it's kind of frustrating to get a damaged item and then have to go through the hassle of dealing with it. It's just not worth it from a time:money perspective. I wish those sellers would be stand-up enough to just refund. As is, the only real option is a neg - which I exercised and didn't retract.

So, Banhammer. Which is, of course, their right. But, the whole thing seems kind of silly. >>



i agree burbank just gives back your money and never blames.

MULLINS5

They have me blocked, too. I used to buy a lot from them and considered myself a pretty good customer (or so I thought). I bought a card from them (I think about $5) and completely forgot about it until I saw in "My eBay" about a month later but hadn't arrived. Contacted them and they promptly refunded me, but then when I went to buy another of the same card they put me on their blocked list. This was probably circa 2007 before I knew they were 4SC.

80sOPC

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<< <i>If gum or wax stains are important to you when buying $2 commons that were probably listed in a condition less than Mint, then you should ask sellers if the cards have any before buying. Opening cases for "items not as described" on $2 commons that most sellers won't take the time to describe in detail is wrong when you could have prevented it by asking the seller a question. It was once with the Ewing guy, 3 times with NESC, do you see that maybe there's something you can do to prevent this from happening. >>



the condition in the nesc auction heading said "mint" all of them. the ewing card from the other seller said nm-mt and he refunded me instantly. if you list 100,000 cards and get $2 and $3 from 25,000 (i bought 14 cards and 4 of them had stains) of them that have wax stains and no one complains, then you just made $50,000 - $75,000 from selling wax stained commons and semi-stars. sounds like a decent living, huh? >>



It actually sounds like very little once you factor in the effort in scanning in 25K cards, listing them and packing them for shipping. They shouldn't claim a card is mint though if it has a wax stain, agree on that.

jackstraw

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<< <i>If gum or wax stains are important to you when buying $2 commons that were probably listed in a condition less than Mint, then you should ask sellers if the cards have any before buying. Opening cases for "items not as described" on $2 commons that most sellers won't take the time to describe in detail is wrong when you could have prevented it by asking the seller a question. It was once with the Ewing guy, 3 times with NESC, do you see that maybe there's something you can do to prevent this from happening. >>



the condition in the nesc auction heading said "mint" all of them. the ewing card from the other seller said nm-mt and he refunded me instantly. if you list 100,000 cards and get $2 and $3 from 25,000 (i bought 14 cards and 4 of them had stains) of them that have wax stains and no one complains, then you just made $50,000 - $75,000 from selling wax stained commons and semi-stars. sounds like a decent living, huh? >>



You're fooling yourself if you think they are making 50,000 to 75,000 selling commons on EBay.. They maybe make a buck each after everything is paid?

MULLINS5

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<< <i>If gum or wax stains are important to you when buying $2 commons that were probably listed in a condition less than Mint, then you should ask sellers if the cards have any before buying. Opening cases for "items not as described" on $2 commons that most sellers won't take the time to describe in detail is wrong when you could have prevented it by asking the seller a question. It was once with the Ewing guy, 3 times with NESC, do you see that maybe there's something you can do to prevent this from happening. >>



the condition in the nesc auction heading said "mint" all of them. the ewing card from the other seller said nm-mt and he refunded me instantly. if you list 100,000 cards and get $2 and $3 from 25,000 (i bought 14 cards and 4 of them had stains) of them that have wax stains and no one complains, then you just made $50,000 - $75,000 from selling wax stained commons and semi-stars. sounds like a decent living, huh? >>



It actually sounds like very little once you factor in the effort in scanning in 25K cards, listing them and packing them for shipping. They shouldn't claim a card is mint though if it has a wax stain, agree on that. >>



If you have the right scanner (like a Fujitsu Fi-6130) then 25,000 cards can be done easily in about 10 hours. Front and back.

KendallCat

Maybe they saw your Dolphins logo and blacklisted you

olb31

<< <i>Maybe they saw your Dolphins logo and blacklisted you >>



looks like you're next then

bounce

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If you have the right scanner (like a Fujitsu Fi-6130) then 25,000 cards can be done easily in about 10 hours. Front and back. >>



10hoursx60minutesx60seconds=36,000 seconds/50,000scans=.72 seconds per scan

I'll take the under

MULLINS5

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If you have the right scanner (like a Fujitsu Fi-6130) then 25,000 cards can be done easily in about 10 hours. Front and back. >>



10hoursx60minutesx60seconds=36,000 seconds/50,000scans=.72 seconds per scan

I'll take the under >>



Fujitsu Fi-6130 in action at the 6:00 mark!

yankeeno7

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If you have the right scanner (like a Fujitsu Fi-6130) then 25,000 cards can be done easily in about 10 hours. Front and back. >>



10hoursx60minutesx60seconds=36,000 seconds/50,000scans=.72 seconds per scan

I'll take the under >>



Fujitsu Fi-6130 in action at the 6:00 mark! >>



While that is a cool scanner, I would be extremely concerned with it damaging cards, making them wrinkle, crease, dinged corners or dinged edges.

grote15

Why would you even want to consider dealing with them based on your experiences? As far as blocking you is concerned, many sellers will simply try to avoid higher maintenance buyers.

KbKards

A higher maintenance buyer isn't an issue for most sellers. It's just a little more work and the buyer does no harm. The issue here is opening up unwarranted cases of "item not as described" which can have a serious impact on the status of a seller's account. The OP is blindly purchasing cards that are likely to have issues important to him. It can totally be avoided by checking with the seller before purchasing. If he chooses not to do this then the OP needs to return his mistakes on his own dime with no harm coming to the seller. Most buyers will not be blocked for this. But when a buyer has no regard for the seller racking up "item not as described" strikes, sellers have to block people like this to protect their selling account.

olb31

<< <i>Why would you even want to consider dealing with them based on your experiences? As far as blocking you is concerned, many sellers will simply try to avoid higher maintenance buyers. >>



It had been a few years since i bought alot of stuff at once from them. Maybe I just blocked it out or something. But I agree with you.

olb31

<< <i>A higher maintenance buyer isn't an issue for most sellers. It's just a little more work and the buyer does no harm. The issue here is opening up unwarranted cases of "item not as described" which can have a serious impact on the status of a seller's account. The OP is blindly purchasing cards that are likely to have issues important to him. It can totally be avoided by checking with the seller before purchasing. If he chooses not to do this then the OP needs to return his mistakes on his own dime with no harm coming to the seller. Most buyers will not be blocked for this. But when a buyer has no regard for the seller racking up "item not as described" strikes, sellers have to block people like this to protect their selling account. >>



I didn't open a case against them. I just sent emails back and forth. And maybe if I gave them a list of the 14 cards with the description of "mint" in every one them, they may have checked them out and told me which ones had wax stains on them. Maybe one slips past them, but 4 out of 14 seems pretty high. They have been around for a long time and they grade cards alot, I think they know which cards to send into PSA and which ones they shouldn't.

Stone193

Would've been nice if they sent you a note expressing how they feel.



<< <i>This is the third time that I had received cards with gum/wax stains on them from NESC. >>

Maybe it would've been best - after the first time - to start asking questions about the backs before placing the order?

I'm sure you have other sources for that kind of stuff? I know it's disappointing to be treated this way - I wouldn't have felt good either.

dennis07

"I think they know which cards to send into PSA and which ones they shouldn't."

This has been discussed many times--the cards from NESC are the cards that 4sharpcorners deemed unworthy of grading.

olb31

<< <i>"I think they know which cards to send into PSA and which ones they shouldn't."

This has been discussed many times--the cards from NESC are the cards that 4sharpcorners deemed unworthy of grading. >>



You are correct. Just don't advertise they are mint, that's what I think.

80sOPC

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<< <i>"I think they know which cards to send into PSA and which ones they shouldn't."

This has been discussed many times--the cards from NESC are the cards that 4sharpcorners deemed unworthy of grading. >>



You are correct. Just don't advertise they are mint, that's what I think. >>



I definitely agree that they advertise cards as mint that clearly are not mint.