$25 to ship from Quebec
mrmint23
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Does it really cost 25.00 to ship a card from Canada to the USA?
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<< <i>Agree a little steep there. Maybe they are buying a ton of insurance on the item? If so, that should be on the seller not the buyer. >>
Couldn't disagree more.
Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER.
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<< <i>Agree a little steep there. Maybe they are buying a ton of insurance on the item? If so, that should be on the seller not the buyer. >>
Couldn't disagree more.
Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER. >>
Insurance does not benefit the buyer though -- it only benefits the seller, hence this is why it should never be the responsibility of the buyer to pay for the seller's insurance.
Buyer is already covered through multiple routes (Paypal, eBay, reputable sellers, etc). If the item arrives damaged insurance is handled by the seller for a reason -- it's their insurance!
<< <i>Won an item for 115 then seller added on 25 shipping. Try to calculate shipping prior to purchase but his link would not give a total. >>
That's high for a 100 item. I can ship anywhere in the US for around 15 bucks (13 and change is the cheapest), with $100 insurance.
<< <i>Did they not say what the shipping cost would be in the listing? >>
Nope said shipping calculated but when I put in my zip code it stated invalid.
I used to get the same thing as a Canadian buyer purchasing from US sellers. I used to get quoted $35 for shipping on one card. I finally got a US PO Box to end all that.
<< <i>Couldn't disagree more.
Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER. >>
This is 100% backwards. If I buy something and the USPS puts it through the shredder after you drop it off, I'm getting a refund from you. If you didn't insure it, then you're the one who loses money.
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<< <i>Couldn't disagree more.
Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER. >>
This is 100% backwards. If I buy something and the USPS puts it through the shredder after you drop it off, I'm getting a refund from you. If you didn't insure it, then you're the one who loses money. >>
I agree it is on the seller to make sure the item is insured and is responsible for it if it isnt, BUT it is up to the BUYER to pay the shipping amount requested by the seller so that he can make sure your item gets to you in a timely manner as well as be able to refund you in case something happens.
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I agree it is on the seller to make sure the item is insured and is responsible for it if it isnt, BUT it is up to the BUYER to pay the shipping amount requested by the seller so that he can make sure your item gets to you in a timely manner as well as be able to refund you in case something happens. >>
Right, but if you're charging me $6.00 for "shipping" so you can buy insurance while everyone else is charging the normal rate of $3.00, you're going to lose business by forcing insurance on buyers. That's why no one charges $6.00.
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<< <i>Couldn't disagree more.
Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER. >>
This is 100% backwards. If I buy something and the USPS puts it through the shredder after you drop it off, I'm getting a refund from you. If you didn't insure it, then you're the one who loses money. >>
I agree it is on the seller to make sure the item is insured and is responsible for it if it isnt, BUT it is up to the BUYER to pay the shipping amount requested by the seller so that he can make sure your item gets to you in a timely manner as well as be able to refund you in case something happens. >>
Agree, absolutely the buyer's responsibility to pay the shipping charges advertised in the seller's listing as it is an agreed on price. Most USPS Priority shipping comes with $100 insurance built-in so it shouldn't be an issue for most transactions, but for a, let's say, $200 card for the seller to charge approximately $7.50 shipping can be a little excessive. As a seller I'd charge the $5.70 and pay the insurance myself as I believe that's not my customer's expense.
A couple examples of high shipping: I recently sold a book for $3750 and opted for the USPS insurance which ran about $55 total. I wouldn't dream of asking a buyer to pay anything near that. A couple weeks ago I sold a couple books to the UK via Priority Mail. Shipping was $65 but I worked with the customer ahead of time and paid $35 out of pocket to help off-set the high price. All about communication!!
<< <i>A couple examples of high shipping: I recently sold a book for $3750 and opted for the USPS insurance which ran about $55 total. I wouldn't dream of asking a buyer to pay anything near that. >>
Same. I sold a 1968 Topps set and charged exactly $0.00 for shipping, handling, insurance, or anything else. If the buyer is giving me $4,500 the least I can do is pay to get it there.
It's about not nickel-and-diming people. If it's not an expensive item, there should be less expensive ways to ship it. If it is expensive, I (as a sometimes seller) would be happy that I made a sale and definitely pick up a lot of that cost.
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I agree it is on the seller to make sure the item is insured and is responsible for it if it isnt, BUT it is up to the BUYER to pay the shipping amount requested by the seller so that he can make sure your item gets to you in a timely manner as well as be able to refund you in case something happens. >>
Right, but if you're charging me $6.00 for "shipping" so you can buy insurance while everyone else is charging the normal rate of $3.00, you're going to lose business by forcing insurance on buyers. That's why no one charges $6.00. >>
Nobody is charging $3.00 to ship something that is valued high enough to need insurance and if they are, it is added into the price of the item, plus nobody is forcing anyone to buy insurance, it is part of the shipping price, the buyer can either pay it or not. Most sellers have a business model that is working if they sell on ebay for a given time, what may be right for one isnt for another. Somehow buyers have no problem buying an item for $103 and paying $3 for shipping, but go out of their mind to buy the same item for $100 and pay $6 for shipping. Such is selling on ebay in this day and age
Edited to add: Flat rate priority boxes have $50 insurance added. On high dollar items, the price to get it there is built into the price sold. I sold a $600 card two weeks ago and shipped it free and would feel silly asking for another $10 for shipping/ins, but I guarantee I wouldnt do that for a $10 item but would have no problem selling that same item for $12.50 and shipping it free. Its all relative
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Edited to add: Flat rate priority boxes have $50 insurance added. >>
4.2 Insurance Coverage — Priority Mail
a. Insurance coverage is provided against loss, damage, or missing contents and is limited to a maximum liability of $100.00 when the Priority Mail pieces bear an Intelligent Mail package barcode (IMpb) and if the mailer pays Commercial Plus prices.
<< <i>Nobody is charging $3.00 to ship something that is valued high enough to need insurance and if they are, it is added into the price of the item, plus nobody is forcing anyone to buy insurance, it is part of the shipping price, the buyer can either pay it or not. Most sellers have a business model that is working if they sell on ebay for a given time, what may be right for one isnt for another. Somehow buyers have no problem buying an item for $103 and paying $3 for shipping, but go out of their mind to buy the same item for $100 and pay $6 for shipping. Such is selling on ebay in this day and age
Edited to add: Flat rate priority boxes have $50 insurance added. On high dollar items, the price to get it there is built into the price sold. I sold a $600 card two weeks ago and shipped it free and would feel silly asking for another $10 for shipping/ins, but I guarantee I wouldnt do that for a $10 item but would have no problem selling that same item for $12.50 and shipping it free. Its all relative >>
I don't think we're actually disagreeing on anything. The only thing that was dead wrong in this thread was when bounce said that the seller doesn't have anything to worry about after it is shipped.
Charge it or don't, each person can decide. I usually don't on low dollar stuff because it's built in. On other higher dollar things, I'll build some in sometimes, I pay it myself others. Situational.
The example of the $6 shipping is a perfect description of the current environment.
<< <i>Say it however you want to, that insurance is ultimately part of the shipping costs.
Charge it or don't, each person can decide. I usually don't on low dollar stuff because it's built in. On other higher dollar things, I'll build some in sometimes, I pay it myself others. Situational. >>
Except that you previously wrote the following, which is incorrect:
"Seller's responsibility is to package it correctly and safely. What happens after that is out of their control.
This idea that it's the seller's obligation to ensure everything goes right between locations is hogwash. As a buyer, if you want to make sure it gets there or you're covered if it gets damaged, pay for the insurance. It's generally an optional cost - FOR THE BUYER."
You're trying to parse out your expectation of how things should be no matter what, and that's not reasonable - i.e. you're incorrect.
<< <i>Blaming a seller because the post office clowns decide to play soccer with a package is ridiculous. That's one of I don't know how many examples I could give.
You're trying to parse out your expectation of how things should be no matter what, and that's not reasonable - i.e. you're incorrect. >>
I didn't realize that you've never used eBay. Poor assumption on my part.
When selling on eBay, which I thought we were all talking about, the seller is responsible until the package arrives in the buyer's hands. That is indisputable. If the seller wants to build insurance into the price to protect himself, he is free to do that. But if the post office clowns decide to play soccer with a package, you're refunding the buyer, no matter who did or did not purchase insurance.
By the way, offering "optional" insurance has been an eBay violation since 2008.
Hope this helps.
<< <i>You don't want to understand what I'm saying, it's fine. I know nothing about eBay. >>
What you're saying is wrong. There isn't even any gray area. You think that a buyer SHOULD be responsible for insuring a package, but that is 100% not the way it is. Buyer doesn't pay for your optional insurance? Package gets run through a wood chipper? Seller refunds buyer. Over.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>You think that a buyer SHOULD be responsible for insuring a package, but that is 100% not the way it is. >>
Then why don't sellers refund some portion of the shipping charge that's associated with the implied insurance? The buyer does pay for it most of the time, you just don't want to call it that. Whatever makes it easier for you.
<< <i>The seller is responsible for the item till it reaches the buyer, on or off ebay. >>
But who PAYS for that? Most of the time the buyer does, in one form or another.
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<< <i>You think that a buyer SHOULD be responsible for insuring a package, but that is 100% not the way it is. >>
Then why don't sellers refund some portion of the shipping charge that's associated with the implied insurance? The buyer does pay for it most of the time, you just don't want to call it that. Whatever makes it easier for you.
<< <i>The seller is responsible for the item till it reaches the buyer, on or off ebay. >>
But who PAYS for that? Most of the time the buyer does, in one form or another. >>
You're changing your tune now. We've all agreed that the seller can just add a couple of bucks to the price of the item, and then buy insurance if they want. You have put it in black and white that it is the BUYER'S responsibility to make sure that the insurance is in place. You also wrote that the seller is only responsible for packing it securely and putting it in the mailbox. Do you now realize that those statements are incorrect?
Whether shipping is free, $2.50, $9.00, or $15.00, the buyer has absolutely zero liability for the safety of the package. If the seller doesn't want to issue a refund for the USPS's incompetence, the SELLER will buy insurance.
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<< <i>You think that a buyer SHOULD be responsible for insuring a package, but that is 100% not the way it is. >>
Then why don't sellers refund some portion of the shipping charge that's associated with the implied insurance? The buyer does pay for it most of the time, you just don't want to call it that. Whatever makes it easier for you.
<< <i>The seller is responsible for the item till it reaches the buyer, on or off ebay. >>
But who PAYS for that? Most of the time the buyer does, in one form or another. >>
Depends on the transaction. On ebay, the shipping cost includes insurance, which cannot be added to the total after the fact.
Off ebay, it's up to the seller to state shipping terms, but in many cases prices are stated as "shipped" or "dlvd" which should also include whatever insurance the seller deems appropriate.
But in either case, it is the seller's responsibility to ensure the item arrives to the buyer. That's just common courtesy and good business sense, imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Depends on the transaction. On ebay, the shipping cost includes insurance, which cannot be added to the total after the fact.
Off ebay, it's up to the seller to state shipping terms, but in many cases prices are stated as "shipped" or "dlvd" which should also include whatever insurance the seller deems appropriate.
But in either case, it is the seller's responsibility to ensure the item arrives to the buyer. That's just common courtesy and good business sense, imo. >>
This thread has really gotten off track, but why is everyone OK with paying a separate insurance fee on their BBCE purchases and outraged on eBay? From the latest break thread:
INSURANCE IS PROVIDED FOR THE FIRST $100. ADDITIONAL INSURANCE MAY BE PURCHASED AT A RATE OF $1 PER $100 OF INSURANCE.
INSURANCE IS OPTIONAL (YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T YOUR ASSUME ALL RISKS).
Sure seems like it's the buyers responsibility after they've packaged it safely and gotten it to the UPS guy.
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This thread has really gotten off track, but why is everyone OK with paying a separate insurance fee on their BBCE purchases and outraged on eBay? From the latest break thread:
INSURANCE IS PROVIDED FOR THE FIRST $100. ADDITIONAL INSURANCE MAY BE PURCHASED AT A RATE OF $1 PER $100 OF INSURANCE.
INSURANCE IS OPTIONAL (YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T YOUR ASSUME ALL RISKS).
Sure seems like it's the buyers responsibility after they've packaged it safely and gotten it to the UPS guy. >>
Because I'm already protected on eBay as a buyer. I don't have to worry about insurance. If the package is damaged or lost, I get a refund. If the BBCE package is lost, I have nothing to fall back on.
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<< <i>Depends on the transaction. On ebay, the shipping cost includes insurance, which cannot be added to the total after the fact.
Off ebay, it's up to the seller to state shipping terms, but in many cases prices are stated as "shipped" or "dlvd" which should also include whatever insurance the seller deems appropriate.
But in either case, it is the seller's responsibility to ensure the item arrives to the buyer. That's just common courtesy and good business sense, imo. >>
This thread has really gotten off track, but why is everyone OK with paying a separate insurance fee on their BBCE purchases and outraged on eBay? From the latest break thread:
INSURANCE IS PROVIDED FOR THE FIRST $100. ADDITIONAL INSURANCE MAY BE PURCHASED AT A RATE OF $1 PER $100 OF INSURANCE.
INSURANCE IS OPTIONAL (YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T YOUR ASSUME ALL RISKS).
Sure seems like it's the buyers responsibility after they've packaged it safely and gotten it to the UPS guy. >>
Businesses operate on different models. If someone purchases a pack, case, box ~whatever on BBCE's website the item includes full insurance in shipping. My guess is that Steve follows the above model because it is a group rip. For instance, if he allocates one box of 1981 Topps Baseball wax then there will potentially be up to 36 different packages going out. Some will be under $100 and others will be more than that and require a different rate. BBCE makes the additional insurance optional but the idea that the buyer assumes all risks is laughable because there certainly is recourse in the unlikely event that an item arrives damaged or ends up lost. Not only is it laughable, but I do NOT believe Steve would leave a customer high and dry is those rare instances and I do NOT believe those are his words but the OPs.