Sheet Cut Gretzky RC
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I've seen quite a few sheet cut cards in BGS holders available from this seller, here is an example, be sure to read the disclaimer in the description
Gretzky BGS RC
Makes me wonder about
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There are more but you get the point. Thoughts?
Gretzky BGS RC
Makes me wonder about
this
this
There are more but you get the point. Thoughts?
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<< <i>I have heard that BGS holders sheet cut cards. Is it their official policy to allow sheet cut cards or are there just instances where sheet cut cards have slid by? I am curious to know the answer to this. I am not a hockey collector, but I am supposing this is why I hear collectors say they like to see a little rough cut on their vintage OPC cards as it seems like this would make it more likely to have been an original OPC factory cut. >>
BGS will holder a sheet cut card.
It is against PSAs standards to knowingly to do so. They do slip through, though.
Not sure about SGC, but assume they will not grade sheet cut cards.
however, clearly seems there's some bias toward "as originally issued" related to sheet cut cards.
i think about things like the early 50s sports illustrated cards, or any of the sports illustrated for kids cards - how are you supposed to holder the card individually if you don't cut it/rip it out? how is that really any different?
i guess i wouldn't mind hearing some opinions/education of why a sheet cut card is considered so vastly different than one that made it into a pack
i think the rule is right, personally.
edit: however when it comes down to grading cards on a box bottom, mag or anything of that nature, i think psa has gone way overboard on all the different panels
ie: on a box bottom, I've seen the all 4, the bottom 2, the left top bottom, the right top bottom. just seems a lil absurd at times....
<< <i>i suppose i'd want some more education on this issue, but there's part of me that says "who cares" if it's sheet cut? if it's in the bounds of the right size for the issue and it's done correctly, i don't think it would make any difference to me. they all started on sheets in the first place, some were just cut better than others are different times.
however, clearly seems there's some bias toward "as originally issued" related to sheet cut cards.
i think about things like the early 50s sports illustrated cards, or any of the sports illustrated for kids cards - how are you supposed to holder the card individually if you don't cut it/rip it out? how is that really any different?
i guess i wouldn't mind hearing some opinions/education of why a sheet cut card is considered so vastly different than one that made it into a pack >>
Like Begsu said, whether or not the card was available in packs is the key. A lot of collectors don't mind sheet cut cards because they follow the thinking you express "they all started on sheets in the first place" and Beckett caters to those folks.
I believe that if a card that was available in a pack is cut from a sheet, then you are slicing and dicing up a card and it is EOT -- ungradeable in most cases.
but getting back to the op and this gretzky, i would definitely not want a sheet cut opc and prefer the rough cut.
regular topps versions, i don't mind. but the rough cut is a key componet for me on opc cards.
Check out all of the PSA 10 OPC baseball and hockey he has going on right now. So apparently some are getting passed.
From a reliable source and here's his breakdown. After cutting his cards, they go to PSA first because there's more $ to be had if they pass. If not, they're off to BGS which isn't a problem which is automatically graded. Whatever is left over goes to KSA. He also has connections within KSA.
Enjoy.
<< <i>A lot of Jason Martin's sheet cuts are getting into PSA holders as well. I really don't care as I don't buy anything from him.
Check out all of the PSA 10 OPC baseball and hockey he has going on right now. So apparently some are getting passed.
From a reliable source and here's his breakdown. After cutting his cards, they go to PSA first because there's more $ to be had if they pass. If not, they're off to BGS which isn't a problem which is automatically graded. Whatever is left over goes to KSA. He also has connections within KSA.
Enjoy. >>
1981 OPC Baseball and 1977 OPC baseball for sure
<< <i>A lot of Jason Martin's sheet cuts are getting into PSA holders as well. I really don't care as I don't buy anything from him.
Check out all of the PSA 10 OPC baseball and hockey he has going on right now. So apparently some are getting passed.
From a reliable source and here's his breakdown. After cutting his cards, they go to PSA first because there's more $ to be had if they pass. If not, they're off to BGS which isn't a problem which is automatically graded. Whatever is left over goes to KSA. He also has connections within KSA.
Enjoy. >>
His answers to any of my questions over the years have been vague and idiotic. Today, we had this exchange about the OPC Jari Kurri PSA 10 RC he has:
Me: This is sheet cut not pack pulled correct?
Jason Martin: Correct, if you zoom in on the pic you can see the opc rough cut
Me: So you cut it from a sheet?
The first question was answered within minutes, it's been hours and no reply to the second one.
how the heck do you tell the difference between an OPC rough cut PSA 10 and PSA 9?
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<< <i>A lot of Jason Martin's sheet cuts are getting into PSA holders as well. I really don't care as I don't buy anything from him.
Check out all of the PSA 10 OPC baseball and hockey he has going on right now. So apparently some are getting passed.
From a reliable source and here's his breakdown. After cutting his cards, they go to PSA first because there's more $ to be had if they pass. If not, they're off to BGS which isn't a problem which is automatically graded. Whatever is left over goes to KSA. He also has connections within KSA.
Enjoy. >>
1981 OPC Baseball and 1977 OPC baseball for sure >>
i think some 79 as well. he has a ryan 10 that i need but was automatically suspicious...
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<< <i>A lot of Jason Martin's sheet cuts are getting into PSA holders as well. I really don't care as I don't buy anything from him.
Check out all of the PSA 10 OPC baseball and hockey he has going on right now. So apparently some are getting passed.
From a reliable source and here's his breakdown. After cutting his cards, they go to PSA first because there's more $ to be had if they pass. If not, they're off to BGS which isn't a problem which is automatically graded. Whatever is left over goes to KSA. He also has connections within KSA.
Enjoy. >>
His answers to any of my questions over the years have been vague and idiotic. Today, we had this exchange about the OPC Jari Kurri PSA 10 RC he has:
Me: This is sheet cut not pack pulled correct?
Jason Martin: Correct, if you zoom in on the pic you can see the opc rough cut
Me: So you cut it from a sheet?
The first question was answered within minutes, it's been hours and no reply to the second one. >>
Got a response:
no the card is not sheet cut, it is a regular opc cut card, as you can see for yourself when you zoom in on the picture. psa does not grade sheet cut cards, $2000 u.s. is best i can do on this item.
<< <i>All the normal criteria: centering, corners, surface, edges.... >>
Exactly - what's the difference between a PSA 9 and PSA 10 rough cut edge? It's almost silly that such a distinction appears to exist.
Imagine how confusing, and quite literally stupid, this sounds to someone who doesn't know a lot about OPC and how it's graded?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>All the normal criteria: centering, corners, surface, edges.... >>
Exactly - what's the difference between a PSA 9 and PSA 10 rough cut edge? It's almost silly that such a distinction appears to exist.
Imagine how confusing, and quite literally stupid, this sounds to someone who doesn't know a lot about OPC and how it's graded? >>
You're right. It's basically witchcraft. I'm not sure how PSA does it, but I'm pretty sure that it involves a divining rod.