New allegations with Pete Rose...insane.

belz

Just heard on the radio dowd alleges rose had relations with minors when he was playing ball..horrible for Rose if not true...what does the rumor do to his cards? Ugggh.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>Just heard on the radio dowd alleges rose had relations with minors when he was playing ball..horrible for Rose if not true...what does the rumor do to his cards? Ugggh. >>


Absolutely nothing. Rose fans don't believe a word that comes out of Dowd's mouth after an obvious grudge the past 25 years. He'll say/do anything to make sure Rose is not reinstated.

Dnice

The Bill Cosby of baseball I hope not. Pete really isn't a credible person in my eyes so for him to deny doesn't quite cut it with me HOWEVER, sue someone for making serious accusations such as these and then I think that may say something.

ndleo

Dowd was smart, he was relaying a story he heard, he didn't directly accuse Rose.

Yes Dowd has a thing for Pete Rose. After 25 years, you think he would just let it go, but then no one would care what he says.

ndleo

And if proven true, it will kill his card values.

wrestlingcardking

We are talking about something from 30 to 40 years ago? Unless they can find Cosby type evidence I am not so sure anything will come about this.

PSASAP

Rose is a Hall of Famer based on what he did on the field. Getting over 4,000 hits in a career is mind boggling. Think about it, a player would have to average 200 hits a year for 20 years just to get to that number. For a player to get 200 hits in a season is a noteworthy achievement that would probably be a career year for 80% of everyone who ever played. To play 20 years or more is even harder than getting 200 hits in a season. Combine the two, and that's just an Everast too steep to climb. All this talk about keeping Rose out is from lame-os who never had what it took to play, and they're using to power of no to have the ultimate say on the issue. Here's a comparison for you, especially those who just returned from the National. Say you went to Gibsons Steakhouse and had one of their fabulous Porterhouses, or whatever cut you favor, and let's say the baked potato came out overcooked and dry. Would you dismiss the whole experience because of the lousy baked potato? Rose's off the field transgressions are the baked potato to his awesome juicy steak of a career.

Dnice

^^ I am not saying he is guilty or not but simply comparing over cooking a potato and being accused of statutory rape are horrible comparisons.

grote15

<< <i>^^ I am not saying he is guilty or not but simply comparing over cooking a potato and being accused of statutory rape are horrible comparisons. >>



+1

That is truly a bizarre analogy.

dberk12

This just keeps getting worse for Rose. There is an unprecedented disparity here between talent and character. Hard to imagine a worse human being with a HOF caliber resume. I was a fan growing up but I have completely run out of excuses for him and his HOF candidacy. It seems that Dowd has an agenda but Rose is making it easy for him.

dberk12

Double

Ironmanfan

sounds like Pete can start using new inscriptions with his autograph

IMF

dtkk49a

My thinking is Pete never gets in, at least not while he is alive. Shoeless Joe is remembered and more famous now than he would have been if he had not cheated and made the Hall. Maybe its better for Pete if he doesn't get in. Its not like he will get tons of endorsement deals if he gets in. At least he stays in the spotlight every day he is not in,

hyperchipper09

Dowd will need some women to come forward and corroborate his story. If not, this may be the time when he gets screwed seven ways to Sunday himself.

Ironmanfan

<< <i>Dowd will need some women to come forward and corroborate his story. If not, this may be the time when he gets screwed seven ways to Sunday himself. >>



Dowd is no dummy

IMF

timpatg

This was obviously during his playing days and the statute of limitations has long since passed. BTW, rape of a 12 year old is slightly more significant than an overcooked potato.

hyperchipper09

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<< <i>Dowd will need some women to come forward and corroborate his story. If not, this may be the time when he gets screwed seven ways to Sunday himself. >>



Dowd is no dummy

IMF >>



This is one time he better not be. But if he sat on this info for 25, 26 years(which would be far worse than gambling), then he's already proven to be at best a dummy, at worst a moron.

craig44

I don't know what to make of all this. I really don't think it will effect card values unless there is
Some really compelling evidence. Dowd better be sure he has rock hard proof because this sounds like the
Beginning of a major slander suit.

PSASAP

I wasn't including the statutory rape allegations in my comparison (it was more about the gambling). But since you brought it up, let's talk about that for a minute. From the stories I've read, the encounters were similar to what rock stars get while on the road. There are groupies out there who know exactly what they're doing, and are not the innocent lasses that some people think all sixteen year olds are. Couple that with the fact that it was a different time (the 70's), and it just reads like someone trying to revise history and impose today's morality code on yesterday's behavior. We're not talking about some creepy math teacher using his authority to coerce a student into having sex, we're talking about a girl who wants to put a celebrity notch on her bedpost. If you don't want to believe such a world exists, then good for you. But Pete was a star, and girls probably threw themselves at him all the time.

craig44

Double post

Dboneesq

Here's a very strange comment that Dowd made in the recent article:

"I've been asked that question whether (Rose) had any moral bearings at all and the answer is no," Dowd went on to say in the podcast. "Michael Bertolini told us that he not only ran bets, but he ran young girls for (Rose) down in spring training. Ages 12-14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that. So he's just not the kind of person that I find attractive."

Dowd stepped back from the explosive allegation he made in the July podcast when contacted by NJ.com on Friday. "I have nothing further to say on it. I just don't want to discuss it anymore. I think this was blown out of proportion."

Blown out of proportion? If he really was having sex with 12-14 year old girls, how the hell can THAT be blown out of proportion? Unless, of course, Mr. Dowd was not telling the truth.

timpatg

<< <i>I wasn't including the statutory rape allegations in my comparison (it was more about the gambling). But since you brought it up, let's talk about that for a minute. From the stories I've read, the encounters were similar to what rock stars get while on the road. There are groupies out there who know exactly whT they're doing, and are not the innocent lasses that some people think all sixteen year olds are. Couple that with the fact that it was a different time (the 70's), and it just reads like someone trying to revise history and impose today's morality code on yesterday's behavior. We're not talking about some creepy math teacher using his authority to coerce a student into having sex, we're talking about a girl who wants to put a celebrity notch on her bedpost. If you don't want to believe such a world exists, then good for you. But Pete was a star, and girls probably threw themselves at him all the time. >>



You are just digging a deeper hole. Have you even read the article?

Dnice

I wasn't including the statutory rape allegations in my comparison (it was more about the gambling). But since you brought it up, let's talk about that for a minute

Its not that I brought it up, its whats this whole thread is about...

New allegations with Pete Rose

grote15

Couple that with the fact that it was a different time (the 70's), and it just reads like someone trying to revise history and impose today's morality code on yesterday's behavior

I'd respectfully assert that such behavior was just as morally abhorrent back in the 1970s, too. To suggest otherwise, is rather misguided, imo..

lahmejoon

If true, then shame on everyone with knowledge of it for staying silent.

lightningboy

And if proven true, it will kill his card values.

I tend to agree with that. However, is that really that much worse than killing your estranged/ex wife and her boyfriend?

PSASAP

I'd respectfully assert that such behavior was just as morally abhorrent back in the 1970s, too. To suggest otherwise, is rather misguided, imo..

Is 1960's and 1970's rock music banned from your household? If not, you're polluting your environment with music made by men whose behavior, though most likely in the past, you find morally abhorrent. Or do you just cover your ears whenever Stairway to Heaven comes on?

grote15

<< <i>I'd respectfully assert that such behavior was just as morally abhorrent back in the 1970s, too. To suggest otherwise, is rather misguided, imo..

Is 1960's and 1970's rock music banned from your household? If not, you're polluting your environment with music made by men whose behavior, though most likely in the past, you find morally abhorrent. Or do you just cover your ears whenever Stairway to Heaven comes on? >>



Sorry, but I try not to justify abhorrent behavior by comparing it to othe abhorrent behavior. I do like Sinatra, though.

SultanOfSwat

I loved Pete Rose the ballplayer, but as a human being, I believe Pete Rose is about as slimy as they get. A guy I used to work with went to spring training with the Phillies(he was a young player back then). He told me so many personal stories involving Pete Rose. None of it was positive. Anything that comes out on Pete wouldn't surprise me.

MantleMarisFordBerra

I give these allegations from a known Rose hater absolutely ZERO credibility. If Dowd is going to throw these type of claims around, he better be able to back them up.

And for what it's worth I think PSASAP does make some good points in comparing rock stars of the 70's having relations with underage girls. Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent & Jimmy Page are just a few names that are confirmed to have been with underage groupies. In fact Nugent legally adopted a girl just so he could "be" with her. Not even joking.

All of which is to say that these public figured have suffered no real public relations disasters, so why would Pete? Especially if (as I and many other posters suspect) these allegations are BS.

SultanOfSwat

<< <i>I give these allegations from a known Rose hater absolutely ZERO credibility. If Dowd is going to throw these type of claims around, he better be able to back them up.

And for what it's worth I think PSASAP does make some good points in comparing rock stars of the 70's having relations with underage girls. Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent & Jimmy Page are just a few names that are confirmed to have been with underage groupies. In fact Nugent legally adopted a girl just so he could "be" with her. Not even joking.

All of which is to say that these public figured have suffered no real public relations disasters, so why would Pete? Especially if (as I and many other posters suspect) these allegations are BS. >>




So two wrongs make a right? Come on, man. This is some sick stuff we are talking about here.

MantleMarisFordBerra

<< <i>

<< <i>I give these allegations from a known Rose hater absolutely ZERO credibility. If Dowd is going to throw these type of claims around, he better be able to back them up.

And for what it's worth I think PSASAP does make some good points in comparing rock stars of the 70's having relations with underage girls. Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent & Jimmy Page are just a few names that are confirmed to have been with underage groupies. In fact Nugent legally adopted a girl just so he could "be" with her. Not even joking.

All of which is to say that these public figured have suffered no real public relations disasters, so why would Pete? Especially if (as I and many other posters suspect) these allegations are BS. >>




So two wrongs make a right? Come on, man. This is some sick stuff we are talking about here. >>



It absolutely is. So why aren't we all burning our Led Zep & Aerosmith records?

MantleMarisFordBerra

double post

SultanOfSwat

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>I give these allegations from a known Rose hater absolutely ZERO credibility. If Dowd is going to throw these type of claims around, he better be able to back them up.

And for what it's worth I think PSASAP does make some good points in comparing rock stars of the 70's having relations with underage girls. Steven Tyler, Ted Nugent & Jimmy Page are just a few names that are confirmed to have been with underage groupies. In fact Nugent legally adopted a girl just so he could "be" with her. Not even joking.

All of which is to say that these public figured have suffered no real public relations disasters, so why would Pete? Especially if (as I and many other posters suspect) these allegations are BS. >>




So two wrongs make a right? Come on, man. This is some sick stuff we are talking about here. >>



It absolutely is. So why aren't we all burning our Led Zep & Aerosmith records? >>



Maybe some have burned their records. Maybe some are not aware that those guys were involved in such disgusting alleged conduct? I don't know for sure on that one. All I know is that I don't think too much of people that mess with or hurt kids.

bishop

Then versus now ?.....Ed Bouche... 1958.... 1959.... 1960

MantleMarisFordBerra

<< <i> All I know is that I don't think too much of people that mess with or hurt kids. >>



And that is absolutely something we both agree on.

SultanOfSwat

<< <i>

<< <i> All I know is that I don't think too much of people that mess with or hurt kids. >>



And that is absolutely something we both agree on. >>



Right on, brother.

elsnorto

<< <i>

<< <i>I wasn't including the statutory rape allegations in my comparison (it was more about the gambling). But since you brought it up, let's talk about that for a minute. From the stories I've read, the encounters were similar to what rock stars get while on the road. There are groupies out there who know exactly whT they're doing, and are not the innocent lasses that some people think all sixteen year olds are. Couple that with the fact that it was a different time (the 70's), and it just reads like someone trying to revise history and impose today's morality code on yesterday's behavior. We're not talking about some creepy math teacher using his authority to coerce a student into having sex, we're talking about a girl who wants to put a celebrity notch on her bedpost. If you don't want to believe such a world exists, then good for you. But Pete was a star, and girls probably threw themselves at him all the time. >>



You are just digging a deeper hole. Have you even read the article? >>



+1

I understood he was trying to draw parallels between the gambling in the original post. But this post...

Snorto~