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How does this card go from a raw NM-MT to a PSA gem mint 10?

1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
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You will see the top corner is now razor sharp if you blow up the picture in the eBay auction. What are your thoughts.

Now a PSA 10

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  • SultanOfSwatSultanOfSwat Posts: 344 ✭
    Based on the evidence in the scans, it would appear the card had a hair cut.
  • CWCW Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭
    *smh*

    I wonder if this is a case where PSA will buy the card back and get it off the market?
  • SlabbedSlabbed Posts: 306
    Looks nicer after the shave.
  • DM23HOFDM23HOF Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. They should really take charge and proactively get that card off the market ASAP.

    That said, is that a signature, or more like that symbol Prince used for a time?
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why assume the card got a hair cut? Isn't it just as likely the manufacturer put out two #04/99s?
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  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    DP
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  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    Apparently, the seller has a history of getting these cards into holders - at least according to the blowout boards. Virtually all of his cards for sale are BGS 9.5's and PSA 10's.
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why assume the card got a hair cut? Isn't it just as likely the manufacturer put out two #04/99s? >>



    In my opinion, the clear evidence is the I in Immaculate being much closer to the edge in the 2nd photo. Well, that and the original owner posting the pictures. Also, if you look the seller has 85 listings and ONE that isn't a BGS/PSA gem mint grade. A lot of you don't handle the newer stuff but they are impossible to get pack pulled in high grade. I am talking Exquisite/Immaculate/ Preferred/NT. That is why these cards are POP 1/2.



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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's quite disturbing. Thanks for the heads up and added to my blocked sellers list.
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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing clear about those scans. Appears to be some white on corner, could be a reflection or card could be trimmed.

    Certainly would need better scans. I know it's apples and bananas, but I had a near perfect 1971 Baseball card that looked pretty bad when I scanned it, looked like it had white "dots" on the black borders. Under magnification and bright sunlight they weren't there. Scanner bed was clean.

    Was this your card in the past and you KNOW there was white showing?????
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  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nothing clear about those scans. Appears to be some white on corner, could be a reflection or card could be trimmed.

    Certainly would need better scans. I know it's apples and bananas, but I had a near perfect 1971 Baseball card that looked pretty bad when I scanned it, looked like it had white "dots" on the black borders. Under magnification and bright sunlight they weren't there. Scanner bed was clean.

    Was this your card in the past and you KNOW there was white showing????? >>



    Glad you asked that. Here is a link to the original owner.

    Original owner and explains condition
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why are the colors so different between the two scans? The gold areas look dark blue in the raw scan. Was it scanned that way to highlight the corner wear?
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  • charrigancharrigan Posts: 2,293
    That's how Gold foil scans. The listed item is a photo, not a scan.
  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭
    the graded card definitely looks shorter on the left to my eye

    i'd sure like to know how they were able to do that - this is a jersey card so it's a thick one I would think

    is another possibility that this card got sent back to panini since it wasn't "mint" in the first place, and they reissued it?
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
    It's the same card since the autographs are identical.
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>the graded card definitely looks shorter on the left to my eye

    i'd sure like to know how they were able to do that - this is a jersey card so it's a thick one I would think

    is another possibility that this card got sent back to panini since it wasn't "mint" in the first place, and they reissued it? >>



    No, they would replace it with one of the other 99 they keep back for damage replacement.
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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    is another possibility that this card got sent back to panini since it wasn't "mint" in the first place, and they reissued it?

    No way. The signature is the same down to the slight fading on the right.
    How thick is this issue? I can only imagine that this card was extremely oversized to have a big hunk taken off on the left and top.
    That is unscrupulous skill there. I don't think it's possible to use a paper cutter or something simple on fat thick cards. Something high tech maybe.
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    Patch is identical as well. PSA is very good at what they do, but humans make mistakes and this is one of them. If you don't see this as an obvious trim, honestly no offense, but you are in denial.
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Patch is identical as well. PSA is very good at what they do, but humans make mistakes and this is one of them. If you don't see this as an obvious trim, honestly no offense, but you are in denial. >>



    +1


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭
    Interesting. The auction describes the card as a reprint. Is that his way of staying out of trouble?
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  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting. The auctions describes the card as a reprint. Is that his way of staying out of trouble? >>



    No. All 4 of the item specifics are wrong.
  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭
    Did the OP sell this card to the current seller?
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  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    ^ The information is in the thread. I don't own this card or have ever owned it. The original owner has started a thread on the Blowout message boards(which I linked in this thread).
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This reminds me of the infamous Brady gets big bump at the "chop shop" a la Beckett.

    image

    I don't have the blow up but his shoes lost a bit of height in the regrading process.

    Then, again, it could just be an illusion? image
    Mike
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, the Brady has been trimmed too. The problem is the companies can't pick it up because the trimmers use a laser cutter. That's my opinion.
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  • SultanOfSwatSultanOfSwat Posts: 344 ✭


    << <i>Why assume the card got a hair cut? Isn't it just as likely the manufacturer put out two #04/99s? >>




    It's not assuming anything. The signature is like a fingerprint. It's an identical signature on both cards. It's the exact same card.
  • SultanOfSwatSultanOfSwat Posts: 344 ✭


    << <i>Yeah, the Brady has been trimmed too. The problem is the companies can't pick it up because the trimmers use a laser cutter. That's my opinion. >>



    You don't need a laser trimmer. I probably should not disclose anymore in case a card doctor is reading this. I don't want to give them anymore ideas for their slimy craft.
  • SultanOfSwatSultanOfSwat Posts: 344 ✭


    << <i>This reminds me of the infamous Brady gets big bump at the "chop shop" a la Beckett.

    image

    I don't have the blow up but his shoes lost a bit of height in the regrading process.

    Then, again, it could just be an illusion? image >>



    I also recall seeing somewhere on the internet the Skybox Jeter autograph that had a flawed bottom edge go from a BGS 7.5 to a PSA 10. When it showed up in the 10 holder, the bottom edge had magically been healed with no flaws. The card doctors are not going to stop, and they are getting better at their game as time moves forward.
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately this looks like a missed trim job.

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  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Why assume the card got a hair cut? Isn't it just as likely the manufacturer put out two #04/99s? >>



    In my opinion, the clear evidence is the I in Immaculate being much closer to the edge in the 2nd photo. >>




    +1

    Steve
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭



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    << <i>You don't need a laser trimmer. I probably should not disclose anymore in case a card doctor is reading this. I don't want to give them anymore ideas for their slimy craft. >>





    I have a couple of questions - without the first raw sale would you know from the scan if the card has been trimmed? Second, if you had the card in hand after it had been altered would you be able to tell?
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