It's back - PSA Set Registry Top Pop Bonus Points
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PSA Set Registry Top Pop Bonus Points
Dear Set Registry Members,
We are pleased to announce that the Top Pop Bonus program is rolling out today. This new program was postponed until the PSA Set Registry award deadline had passed and the winners for 2015 were announced.
In order to reward the owners of cards and tickets that are the highest graded, we are adding 2 bonus points for items with populations of one, none graded higher, and 1 bonus point for items that are tied for the very best with none graded higher. These points will be added to the grade of your card as shown in the examples below:
Your Card Status Your Grade Points
8 highest graded (two or more PSA Pop) 9
8 highest graded (only one graded) 10
8.5 highest graded (two or more PSA Pop) 9.5
8.5 highest graded (only one graded) 10.5
Should the population change for your item and it loses either the “highest graded” or “highest graded, only one of that grade” status, the bonus points will be adjusted or dropped accordingly.
Bonus points will not be applied to sets that are open ended and do not require specific items, such as some of the Hall of Fame sets where any card can be used for a player. For sets that have multiple specs in a line item, like the basic T-206 sets, for example, if the card being listed is the highest graded for all that are allowed in the slot, then it will receive bonus points.
For multi-spec sets, we are changing the format for the population columns so that you will be able to see the population for the particular item you are listing as well as the total populations for all specs within a slot. Note that there may be some discrepancies between what shows in the Registry versus the Population Report. This may be due to specs that are not yet recorded in the Registry composition or cards that do not list as separate line items in the Population Report such as T-206 Unknown Backs.
Qualifiers will be treated as deductions in the population report data, so if the population report shows a count of five qualifiers in PSA 4, those cards will be counted as PSA 2s. To review the qualifier deductions, please visit the Rules page.
We are excited about the dynamic Top Pop Bonus Point program and look forward to the new level of competition it is sure to bring. It could take over a week for all the sets in the Registry to recalculate so your patience is appreciated. Should you have any questions at all, please feel free to contact me at bsearls@collectors.com.
Best Wishes,
BJ Searls
Set Registry & Special Projects Director
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It may get more complicated for sets that have weighting structures. For example the person who has the PSA 10 Wayne Gretzky that has a weigting of 10 would get 120 points I believe.
<< <i>It looks like the GPA of my sets increased. I don't like it if that's the case. I don't chase the awards. I'd rather just see what my set grades out without the bonus points and all. If they want to have a bonus, keep the grade the same and just increase the rating. My '67 set now has a GPA over 9 even though I don't own a 10 for that set. >>
I see your '67 set as having a GPA below 9. Did it get changed back, or am I missing something?
ETA: The set with wax pack seems to have received the bonus points, but the basic set without pack hasn't. Weird.
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<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the structure was slightly different the first time. I thought if it was pop 1, none higher, then it got 2 bonus points, but that it had to be pop 2, none higher to get the one bonus point. I think that's the way it should be: bonus points for cards that are low pop, none higher. For example, I have a PSA 10 Yaz with a pop of over 100 10's. I don't think that should count as 11 points. The ten is no biggie. >>
When I first read the email I scimmed it and thought it was exactly how you laid it out. After reading it again I saw the two or more pop was the one bonus point.
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<< <i>It looks like the GPA of my sets increased. I don't like it if that's the case. I don't chase the awards. I'd rather just see what my set grades out without the bonus points and all. If they want to have a bonus, keep the grade the same and just increase the rating. My '67 set now has a GPA over 9 even though I don't own a 10 for that set. >>
I see your '67 set as having a GPA below 9. Did it get changed back, or am I missing something?
ETA: The set with wax pack seems to have received the bonus points, but the basic set without pack hasn't. Weird. >>
Yep I see it's back under 9. I added a Banks PSA 9 today and when I confirmed the addition, it had my GPA above 9. Maybe they're still tweaking the registry.
Edited to add - I just realized I hadn't confirmed the basic set yet with the Banks addition. Now that I've done so, it's migrated to the new grading scale and indeed shows the GPA above 9.
<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the structure was slightly different the first time. I thought if it was pop 1, none higher, then it got 2 bonus points, but that it had to be pop 2, none higher to get the one bonus point. I think that's the way it should be: bonus points for cards that are low pop, none higher. For example, I have a PSA 10 Yaz with a pop of over 100 10's. I don't think that should count as 11 points. The ten is no biggie. >>
So now all 10s are now 11s right?
I see the price premium for a PSA 10 just got a little more expensive!
I agree, that doesn't seem like the best answer for multiple pops at least at the 10 level!
Scott
<< <i>None of my sets seem to have changed. Do you have to add/upgrade the set before the change is reflected, I wonder? >>
None of my sets are either. Last time they updated at midnight and the next day reflected the change. I would imagine the white, grey and yellow identifiers have been added to your sets when you see them already but no change to the GPA.
<< <i>None of my sets seem to have changed. Do you have to add/upgrade the set before the change is reflected, I wonder? >>
Correct. Only the sets I updated today reflect the new changes. The 1967 basic set still had my GPA at 8.96 today until I added the Banks and published the update.
and what happens if you hit the "i don't agree" tab?
it helps me out in a lot of occasions, but i don't like it.
edit: do the guys at the top really need bonus points? i mean, seriously!
<< <i>but you don't get "super duper automatic quadruple" points for owning both of 9's w/ none higher?
and what happens if you hit the "i don't agree" tab?
it helps me out in a lot of occasions, but i don't like it. >>
You should
Thanks for posting the scans. Nice to see mint copies.
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yes, there is a card for it! and can not believe they didn't have it as card "11"
my whole set is sitting at psa now!
after you get bonus points, why don't we just give the #1 guys a $10,000 check, a free fedex gift card valued @ $500 and a personal secretary to track down & purchase other low pop cards and further their sets even more...
sound good?
<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the structure was slightly different the first time. I thought if it was pop 1, none higher, then it got 2 bonus points, but that it had to be pop 2, none higher to get the one bonus point. >>
I'm not sure how it played out but you're substantially right. You got a gold designation for pop 1 none higher and something more like a silver medal for pop 2's.
ETA: I guess that's how it's supposed to be this time around? "In order to reward the owners of cards and tickets that are the highest graded, we are adding 2 bonus points for items with populations of one, none graded higher, and 1 bonus point for items that are tied for the very best with none graded higher." So, every 10 gets a bonus... That doesn't make much sense to me.
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<< <i>Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the structure was slightly different the first time. I thought if it was pop 1, none higher, then it got 2 bonus points, but that it had to be pop 2, none higher to get the one bonus point. >>
I'm not sure how it played out but you're substantially right. You got a gold designation for pop 1 none higher and something more like a silver medal for pop 2's. >>
I thought last time around it was gold status (2 points) for PSA 10 POP 1 and silver status for either PSA 10 POP 2 or PSA 9 POP 1 none higher. I certainly don't remember every 10 getting a bonus point and I don't understand how that makes any sense.
Dear PSA Set Registry Members,
For many years, we’ve had feedback from members about our 1-10 weighting scale. For the most part, this scale has serviced us well. Generally, it takes into account the grade and rarity. However, in certain instances, specifically, with cards that are the single finest or tied for the finest graded, the 1-10 scale doesn’t account for the premium that most collectors must pay to own the very best.
In order to reward the owners of these very special cards, we are adding 2 bonus points for items with populations of one, none graded higher, and 1 bonus point for cards that are tied for the very best with none graded higher. These points will be added to the grade of your card as shown in the examples below:
Your Card Status Your Grade Points
8 Highest graded (PSA Pop 2) 9
8 Highest graded (only one graded) 10
8.5 Highest graded (PSA Pop 2) 9.5
8.5 Highest graded (only one graded) 10.5
Should the population change for your item and it loses either the "highest graded" or "highest graded, only one of that grade" status, the bonus points will be adjusted or dropped accordingly.
We are always amazed at the tremendous job our Set Registry participants do with building their collections and we feel the added points for "Pop Tops" will appropriately reward the "best of the best" and the collectors that pursue them. As always, we appreciate your participation in the Set Registry. Happy collecting!
BJ Searls
Set Registry & Special Projects Director
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get bonus points simply for having pop top or PSA 10 cards, but only if those pop top or PSA 10 cards are pop 1 or pop 2 cards, correct? >>
When I first read it I thought this. But after looking at it more carefully it says two or more.
"and 1 bonus point for items that are tied for the very best with none graded higher."
Your Card Status Your Grade Points
8 highest graded (two or more PSA Pop) 9
8 highest graded (only one graded) 10
8.5 highest graded (two or more PSA Pop) 9.5
8.5 highest graded (only one graded) 10.5
<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get bonus points simply for having pop top or PSA 10 cards, but only if those pop top or PSA 10 cards are pop 1 or pop 2 cards, correct? >>
All my 10s with POPs higher than 1 are highlighted in silver right now. All POP 1 10s are highlighted in gold.
<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get bonus points simply for having pop top or PSA 10 cards, but only if those pop top or PSA 10 cards are pop 1 or pop 2 cards, correct? >>
I believe that was the previous rule, but now it seems you get an additional point for any top graded card with none graded higher and an extra point for if it's a POP 1.
Scott
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<< <i>Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't get bonus points simply for having pop top or PSA 10 cards, but only if those pop top or PSA 10 cards are pop 1 or pop 2 cards, correct? >>
I believe that was the previous rule, but now it seems you get an additional point for any top graded card with none graded higher and an extra point for if it's a POP 1.
Scott >>
Aha, ok.
While I think it is a good marketing move on PSA's behalf, I don't care for the concept, personally. What is the point of a bonus point for a pop 100+ PSA 10 anyway?
I would much rather see sets reweighted based on true degree of difficulty for commons in addition to HOFers and star cards.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
This is going to get good.
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<< <i>I don't care for the concept, personally. What is the point of a bonus point for a pop 100+ PSA 10 anyway? >>
My point exactly.
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<< <i>That is incorrect. If your card is a 10, and there are more than two cards graded 10, you don't get bonus points. If you card is the highest graded, including tens, and there is one other card besides yours also graded 10, you get one bonus point. If you have the highest graded card, including tens, and yours is the only card of that particular grade, you get two points. >>
This is also how I interpreted it above, but was told they had changed the criteria?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I repeat from my prior post. Two or more is the accurate interpretation for one bonus point.
Pop 1's just got more powerful in the registry.
<< <i>If you go through the set. The one's that are silver get one point and the one's that are gold get two.
It may get more complicated for sets that have weighting structures. For example the person who has the PSA 10 Wayne Gretzky that has a weigting of 10 would get 120 points I believe. >>
All three of the primary Wrestling All Stars sets are equally weighted. The mega set however is not. The higher weighted cards are indeed amplified by this change. I have a Dusty Rhodes that is a PSA 10 Pop 1 and it is now a rating of 24.
If you go to the What if? tab it will show you the enhanced rating.
<< <i>That is incorrect. If your card is a 10, and there are more than two cards graded 10, you don't get bonus points. If you card is the highest graded, including tens, and there is one other card besides yours also graded 10, you get one bonus point. If you have the highest graded card, including tens, and yours is the only card of that particular grade, you get two points. >>
No. That's the way it SHOULD be. But the email states "2 or more" and I have a PSA 10 Yaz that has something like Pop 140 and it is shown in gray as getting a bonus point.
Edit: I have a PSA 10 that's pop 181. I just don't get why that's worth a bonus. I do agree that my PSA 5 - pop 1 none higher or my PSA 9 - pop 2 none higher should be worth a bonus.
cards (the 1-10 scale) was established to identify CONDITION of the card.
We have all learned this system over time. We know what a NM 7 card means
in terms of it's characteristics and possible flaws.
So if one owns a complete set where all cards are uniformly graded NM 7.....
AND THEY ARE ALL CURRENTLY 1 of 1's WITH NONE GRADED HIGHER.....
this set all of a sudden becomes a MINT Set???
How did the CONDITION of the set become better?
Am I missing something here? Perhaps I'm just not understanding this properly.
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Collecting 1970-1979 PSA 9 & 10 Baseball Cards
My tuppence.
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is now over 9.0 and I don't have any cards graded higher than MINT 9."
If this is truly a matter of.... "this NM 7 card is MORE VALUABLE than that NM 7 card because of a lower
graded population"..... then why doesn't PSA just adjust the "set composition" grading scales?
They already do that as a '52 Topps Mantle has a weighting of 10 and a common has a weighting of 1.
When all is said and done though, if you complete that set with all PSA NM 7 cards, your final Set Rating
is 7.0 as I believe it should be. I don't think the grade should be raised because you have some low pop
cards in the set.
wpkoughan@yahoo.com
Collecting 1970-1979 PSA 9 & 10 Baseball Cards
<< <i>I guess my question is more in response to previous posters that have said for example, "my set GPA
is now over 9.0 and I don't have any cards graded higher than MINT 9."
If this is truly a matter of.... "this NM 7 card is MORE VALUABLE than that NM 7 card because of a lower
graded population"..... then why doesn't PSA just adjust the "set composition" grading scales?
They already do that as a '52 Topps Mantle has a weighting of 10 and a common has a weighting of 1.
When all is said and done though, if you complete that set with all PSA NM 7 cards, your final Set Rating
is 7.0 as I believe it should be. I don't think the grade should be raised because you have some low pop
cards in the set. >>
I don't think PSA sets the weight of cards. Every new set I've created / requested, I was the one who created the weighting, by their request.