Peter Edward Rose...OH OH...turn out the lights Pete.
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Newly exposed documents show Pete bet on baseball as a player as well as manager. After 15 years of denials, one of the greatest to ever play the game, admitted to betting on baseball...about 2 months ago Pete denied betting as a player. Looks like a big oops and now (IMO) forever locked out of Cooperstown.
See ESPN article by William Weinbaum and T.J.Quinn. It appears that Pete was up to his ears in debt to the mob.
See ESPN article by William Weinbaum and T.J.Quinn. It appears that Pete was up to his ears in debt to the mob.
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Moot point anyway as he wouldn't get enough votes anyway.
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<< <i>At 74 years old I don't think Pete cares anymore >>
Actually, at age 74, this may be the ONLY thing he cares about, Paul, LOL..
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<< <i>At 74 years old I don't think Pete cares anymore >>
Actually, at age 74, this may be the ONLY thing he cares about, Paul, LOL.. >>
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<< <i>I will never believe Rose bet against himself as he had too much respect for the game. >>
If he had so much respect for the game, he would have followed the rules, no?
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You are 100% wrong.
Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.
It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.
Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.
You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.
In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period.
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<< <i>I see the crime in betting on your team to lose, but I do not see the crime in betting on your team to win. >>
If you only bet to win, when you don't bet, you're essentially placing a bet to lose.
Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.
It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.
Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.
You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.
In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period.
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<< <i>"No Betting" seems like a rule of thumb that is taken way too seriously.
You are 100% wrong.
Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.
It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.
Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.
You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.
In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period. >>
Thank you. This is the answer to the Pete Rose issue.
Suppose one bets only on his team to win. What's to stop him from corrupting an opposing player by giving him a "cut" of the winnings? The gambler can have 50K riding on his team while offering the opposing pitcher 20K to groove a few pitches, or the opposing SS 10K to make an error or two.
Betting by active members is a bad thing, no matter how you slice it.
<< <i> I will never believe Rose bet against himself as he had too much respect for the game. Gambling is an addiction like drugs, food, sex, etc, and something like this seems like it would just make him play even harder. >>
Addicts have no respect for anything they only care about their addiction. The whole world revolves around what they are addicted to.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
Really? What are you addicted to?
As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.
As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris.
<< <i>We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.
Really? What are you addicted to?
As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.
As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris. >>
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<< <i>For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>
You answered it yourself "it was legal".
<< <i>For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>
No idea what that has to do with baseball but it's been almost 100 years since Landis implemented the no gambling rule which was obviously well before Pete was born. He bet. He got busted. He lied. Then he admitted part of his wrongdoing. Then he lied some more. Then got busted again. He is done. End of story.
Sadly, I doubt he ever will. He broke the cardinal rule of baseball...and the penalty is high. Very sad. Hope I'm wrong.
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<< <i>We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.
Really? What are you addicted to?
As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.
As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris. >>
You would make a good politician.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
I still say that Houdini was NOT the greatest escape artist/magician ever. David Stern was. The way he made the NBA game fixing referee scandal disappear was probably the greatest trick in history.
MLB surely would do the same the instant they got any wind of wrong doings from one of their umps.
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<< <i>I still say that Houdini was NOT the greatest escape artist/magician ever. David Stern was. The way he made the NBA game fixing referee scandal disappear was probably the greatest trick in history. >>
<< <i>For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>
It still is legal (Congress very quietly and unanimously rolled back the disclosure rule of the STOCK Act, and recently filed a brief in May with the courts in a matter of insider trading claiming that Congress can not be investigated by the SEC.)
Roll back. How dare you investigate Congress!!!!
Given Pete's forthrightness, he should have gone into politics. A truly missed opportunity for him.
<< <i>Anyone else see Pete co-hosting Foxs Game of the Week last week? >>
Yep. Pete still loves the game and studies it constantly. It's a shame that he can't be a manager somewhere. But...he messed up and is paying the price. I still think he belongs in the HOF but now at best I fear it will be posthumously,
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<< <i> still think he belongs in the HOF but now at best I fear it will be posthumously, >>
The ghost of Joe Jackson disagrees
The issue is larger than just baseball. If the appointed leaders of the country don't have rules in place to insure that they behave ethically, then how can you expect the rest of society to respect and/or adhere to them. And of course it's legal, they make the rules, don't they? It sure as hell isn't ethical, though.
And YES.....Rose should be in the HOF.....PERIOD!!!