Outside the Lines: notebook entries show that Pete Rose bet on baseball as a player

TNP777 · June 22, 2015 2:46AM

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If true, I would think there is zero chance he will ever sniff the Hall now. I believe public sentiment has long been that Rose belongs in the HOF based on his accomplishments on the field. I was certainly leaning that direction. Not any more, though.

bcubs · June 22, 2015 3:22AM

I completely agree, if he bet as a player....he's done and the conversation is over.

jmsodpc · June 22, 2015 3:51AM

Wonder why it took all these years to read the Betting leger.

Dpeck100 · June 22, 2015 4:01AM

It will be interesting to see in the days, weeks, months and years to follow what his card prices do.

Have they been running up on his legendary status on the field? The potential for a HOF induction? Or a general rise in older star card prices?

Perhaps we will know the answer to these questions if this is the final nail in the HOF coffin.

olb31 · June 22, 2015 4:02AM

Hasn't his already been discussed. He bet on his team to win, never proven that he didn't. Probably going back into the early 70's. Nothing new there.

BunchOBull · June 22, 2015 4:05AM

I still don't really care as long as he didn't bet against his own teams. That said, rules are rules.

sbfinley · June 22, 2015 4:06AM

Really doesn't change anything from me. I don't really see the difference on betting on your team as a manager and as a player. They're both dumb. Twenty-five years ago the majority of baseball fans were outraged he bet as manager, now most would like to see him in the hall. Is it really that enraging that he was likely doing it a couple years before? Before this report I felt Rose was a narcissistic idiot liar who played baseball at the highest level and should be in the Hall and until I see evidence that he compromised the outcome of a game that will probably not change for me.

<< Wonder why it took all these years to read the Betting leger. >>

This ledger came from a separate investigation Bertolini unrelated to gambling and has been sealed by the courts until now.

olb31 · June 22, 2015 4:12AM

I wish all the PED naysayers, wrongdoer vocalists where this strong in college sports. If you want to witness really immoral acts try listening or reading about the college coaches who sell their soul to win a game. They will lie, cheat, steal, payoff the cops, the school administration, form fake curriculum's, lie to the recruits, take handouts from anyone. This is real corruption, not just a player taking steriods or letting a pound or two of air pressure out of the football. All the baseball people who are so against letting the PED guys into the hall would really crap their pants when they found how Alabama football operates or how UNC athletes obtained grades.

grote15 · June 22, 2015 4:37AM

Dowd has already stated that there was very strong evidence that Rose bet on the Reds to lose, as well, and that would have come to light had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban to stop the investigation.

JWBlue · June 22, 2015 4:42AM

<< Dowd has already stated that there was very strong evidence that Rose bet on the Reds to lose, as well, and that would have come to light had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban to stop the investigation. >>

Never head this. WOW.

CocoaBeachDodgers · June 22, 2015 4:49AM

I thought, with a new commissioner, they might have been a small chance of him getting reinstated. But with this new proof, the door is most likely closed.

It's a sad story, even as a Dodger fan, I had a lot of respect for the way he played the game. Can only imagine how a Reds fan would feel.

Pete has no one to blame but himself but still a sad story.

dberk12 · June 22, 2015 4:56AM

<< Pete has no one to blame but himself but still a sad story. >>

It is a very sad story. He clearly had deep issues with gambling. It is a shame because of how he played and approached the game. His resume is top notch but the gambling and complete dishonesty and refusal to come clean once some of the facts became public knowledge ruined everything. The door is definitely closed.

grote15 · June 22, 2015 4:59AM

<< 

<< Dowd has already stated that there was very strong evidence that Rose bet on the Reds to lose, as well, and that would have come to light had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban to stop the investigation. >>

Never head this. WOW. >>

Dowd states "probably right" Rose also bet against the Reds

RedRomad275 · June 22, 2015 5:07AM

I am a Reds fan and a Pete Rose fan. I am a fan of his because of his accomplishments on the field not his character as a person. He was a phenominal player with a disease that is gambling. I have always had a feeling in the back of my mind that Pete bet on baseball even when he was denying it. The evidence seemed to clear. This "new" evidence seemed to appear coincidentally close to the time Rob Manfred was supposed to hear Pete's appeal. It doesn't change anything that I believe the MLB didn't already know. Pete is almost 75. Does anyone think he is going to manage in baseball now? He won't profit anymore than he already does. He will still sign hundreds of autographs in Vegas. Let him back in. Let his peers decide on the Hall. 4256

Red

byronscott4ever · June 22, 2015 5:11AM

I liked Rose but I think if his ban was lifted now, he would still have to wait. I think his lying upset many voters.

dennis07 · June 22, 2015 6:05AM

Dowd needs to shut-up now. It's up to the commissioner to hear what Rose has to say and for him to make a ruling.
Dowd points out by restating the rule of "permanent ineligible" if you wager money on games that Rose is done. We live in a country of second and even third chances.
Let the process run its course and stay out of the media with your hatred, Mr Dowd.

timpatg · June 22, 2015 6:33AM

<< I still don't really care as long as he didn't bet against his own teams. That said, rules are rules. >>

There have been rumors for decades that the original investigation found evidence that he bet against the Reds as a player but it wasn't included in the Dowd report because it could not be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Either way, he will never get in now.

timpatg · June 22, 2015 6:34AM

<< Dowd has already stated that there was very strong evidence that Rose bet on the Reds to lose, as well, and that would have come to light had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban to stop the investigation. >>

Should have read all the responses before replying

grote15 · June 22, 2015 6:45AM

Dowd is not seeking out the media. The media are seeking out Dowd.

Baseball hired him to investigate Rose and he did so exhaustively before Rose got them to stop by agreeing to a lifetime ban.

I'm certain Manfredi is consulting with Dowd upon his consideration of Rose's application for reinstatement. After all, he knows probably more than anyone but Rose himself as to the truth, a concept that has been proven to be most challenging for Rose to grasp.

DanBessette · June 22, 2015 7:01AM

Great player, scummy human being. And really disappointing that he bet as a player. Zero chance of the hall now.

LarkinCollector · June 22, 2015 8:15AM

I don't think this changes anything. Whether he makes it to the HOF or not, his cards are priced like he's already in and those who collect him will still do so.

seebelow · June 22, 2015 8:55AM

Doesn't change a thing...lessens his slim chances of reinstatement...and even if that were to happen, he wouldn't get the HOF votes. Not even close.

Really not a story other than the same ol and people really getting tired of it....Great player, he bet, he lies, he won't change, its his life, so be it.

Card wise..I collect his. But prices won't change a bit due to this story. I would love a GU jersey but he sold them all twenty yrs ago when he was having financial problems.

Sdub · June 22, 2015 1:11PM

Enough already, stomping a guy down when he's made a mistake. How long is Charlie Hustle gonna have to pay for this. Murderers have done less time. My neighbor waste water and has fluorescent lighting, he's a bigger impact to the planet than Rose.

The 'Dowd' report is the last place I'd go for my moral compass. Trust no-one throwing stones from a large institution. I'll continue to buy his cards with a passion.

CocoaBeachDodgers · June 22, 2015 1:34PM

<< I don't think this changes anything. Whether he makes it to the HOF or not, his cards are priced like he's already in and those who collect him will still do so. >>

So basically, your telling me that I still will not be able to afford a nice Rose rookie?

TNP777 · June 22, 2015 2:01PM

<< So basically, your telling me that I still will not be able to afford a nice McMullen rookie?

>>

fixed that for you.

JoeBanzai · June 22, 2015 10:30PM

I was a big Rose fan, knowing baseball's history and rules on gambling, I just don't understand the Hall of Fame discussion on Pete.

His cards are collected by a lot of his fans and worth a LOT.

Betting on baseball games he was involved in, be it for or against his team, automatically eliminated any chance for induction.

Has nothing to do with forgiveness, we all should forgive people who make mistakes, he just won't ever be in the HOF.

rtimmer · June 22, 2015 11:55PM

<< I was a big Rose fan, knowing baseball's history and rules on gambling, I just don't understand the Hall of Fame discussion on Pete.

His cards are collected by a lot of his fans and worth a LOT.

Betting on baseball games he was involved in, be it for or against his team, automatically eliminated any chance for induction.

Has nothing to do with forgiveness, we all should forgive people who make mistakes, he just won't ever be in the HOF. >>

I see quite a double standard here between baseball and football. I like that Paul Horning is in the football hall based upon his on field heroics and his gambling was dealt with swiftly and appropriately with a 1 year suspension. He and Karras also suspended at the same time for gambling and mob connections certainly handled things differently and were very proud they bet on their own team to win and won quite a bit of money doing so.

mtcards · June 23, 2015 2:51AM

Personally, I think he still belongs in, as do McGwire and Bonds and Clemens.

If the hall is going to take personality and character into the debate, then there are a lot of players who are in that dont belong there. Sure, ban him from baseball for breaking a rule, but not from the hall. Just an opinion.

RedRomad275 · June 23, 2015 4:18AM

I understand the opinion to keep Pete out of baseball but not the Hall. The counter argument to that is that Pete is already in the Hall for his accomplishments just doesn't have a plaque. He's 75, what is he really going to do in baseball? 4256

Red

garnettstyle · June 23, 2015 6:07AM

Put him in the hall already.

TNP777 · June 23, 2015 6:13AM

Had he 'only' bet on baseball as a manager, I would absolutely say "put him in the Hall". I'd be willing to look the other way, even if he did break the first baseball Commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Bet on Base Ball". However, in light of these new allegations, I believe he has forfeited all expectations and rights for inclusion.

Look, I can be a pretty naive dude, and really wanted to believe him when he said he only bet as a manager, but never as a player. Now people want to believe the story that he only bet on the Reds to win? My naivete stops there. I simply cannot swallow that line. If he had the balls, as a player, to bet on baseball in the first place, then I absolutely believe he crossed the line and bet against his own team.

LarkinCollector · June 27, 2015 5:17AM

<< Had he 'only' bet on baseball as a manager, I would absolutely say "put him in the Hall". I'd be willing to look the other way, even if he did break the first baseball Commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Bet on Base Ball". However, in light of these new allegations, I believe he has forfeited all expectations and rights for inclusion.

Look, I can be a pretty naive dude, and really wanted to believe him when he said he only bet as a manager, but never as a player. Now people want to believe the story that he only bet on the Reds to win? My naivete stops there. I simply cannot swallow that line. If he had the balls, as a player, to bet on baseball in the first place, then I absolutely believe he crossed the line and bet against his own team. >>

Valid opinion, and while I agree it's possible, I don't think he ever performed less than his absolute best to win a bet over a game. The same could probably be said of the Black Sox.

53BKid · June 29, 2015 10:10AM

As I've expressed several times over the years, Pete Rose turned himself into MLB's office in Manhattan seeking protection from the bookmakers who threatened to end his life. His gambling issues were completely out of control, causing him to sell off most of his prized possessions to pay his escalating debts. When Bart Giamati and his legal team investigated it, Pete agreed to a lifetime ban.

In my opinion, he can tell all yet again in yet another new book, and it still won't matter--His actions undermines the game of baseball, and his agreement with MLB should be upheld...Consideration of his entry to the Hall should be weighed the year after he dies, and his admission, if ever, be only after that of Joe Jackson.

Outside the Lines: notebook entries show that Pete Rose bet on baseball as a player

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