You paid something less than the full price listed on the flip-no? Let's say you are into the coin $75-$100. What might happen when you pay $25 to grade it is not material to me as you might simply lose the $25 when the coin does not grade out as nicely as you hope. We will never know if it might have netted you an extra $75 either.
Now, I assume you are a professional who bills a few hundred dollars an hour? If so, this is about 15 minutes of your time (since your hour is only 50 minutes anyway).
Move on and learn a lesson from it and accept their apologies that they lost your coin (as you did) in good faith. Why would you even consider dragging your daughter into a stressful fight involving so little?
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<< <i>I attended a coin show recently and bought 4 coins. I went with a friend to a diner right after the show, had a meal, came home, and found one of the coins were missing. My friend suggested calling the restaurant and asking if they found the coin. Sure enough, the waitress told me she did, tried to find me after I left, and that they were holding it for safe keeping. I decided to drive back to the place, only to be told that the owner or cashier (not sure of his role) can't find it now and misplaced it in the office. It's been over a week, my call was not returned yesterday by him when i called for a status check. He told me face to face the day it went lost, that I shouldn't worry, I would get my coin, they would find it, etc.
What would you do? In my mind they are legally responsible for the safekeeping of the coin once they found and identified it.
Any suggestions? >>
<< <i>What would you do in this situation? >>
I would kiss the thought of ever getting the coin back, goodbye and then I would find the nearest "wall" and give my head a couple of good hard whacks. I would not blame ANYBODY nor hold ANYBODY responsible other than myself. Regardless of what they said or did.
This is the biggest problem with this world today. Folks simply refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
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Excuse me, I had some bad luck because a coin fell out my pocket when I should have worn a shirt with a pocket to have potentially avoided something like that from happening. I admit that. But when someone says they placed something in safe keeping and in a few hours they can't even find it (assuming they are telling the truth), that is a different story. I called the diner today and was told that the owner(who turned out to be the guy at the cashier who placed the coin in the office) had a "family emergency" and won't be in till Monday. I will call next week and see what happens.
Jon: <<I would suggest that you go to the restaurant and ask the police to join you to file a report... once the coin was identified it can be considered stolen.... at this point should the manager just be playing games it will be "found" if not you have done all you can and a police report ...over $100 yes... my two cents >>
Is this sound advice?
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Wondercoin, sorry I didn't respond to your post. My sense is that the coin, with grading fees, would be worth $250. It was a 2.5 hour round trip ride to the show and then that again when I went back to the diner. I charge less for my 50 min hr than most doctors. But sometimes everything isn't about dollars and cents. Going to a coin show is fun for me, except when something like this happens. I could have worked for the 5 hrs and made more money, but that is not the point. By the way,I had tipped the waitress pretty well, even though she screwed up my friend's order a bit. She clearly tried to do the right thing and I will give her something if I ever get the coin back.
<< <i>Unfortunately I might go that route. It isn't the money as much as the incompetence or dishonesty of the one who lost it and can't remember where he put it in the office. >>
Remember you lost the coin as well. You probably should have removed the $110 price tag as that told someone is had some decent value. Perhaps you could go buy the local coin shop and see if that coin was sold to them within a couple days after this happened. My guess would be that whoever stole it wasn't really interested in that coin, but saw the $110 price tag and figured they could get $50 for it.
sorry fella, just suck it up to experience..., as much as I feel sorry .. it is obvious, at least to me, that a true blue collector would not have carried collectors coins in a pant or jacket pocket just like loose change. Your suggestion about "should have worn a shirt' just does not hold any weight. It is entirely your responsibility. You had NO contract with the diners for safe keeping, even though they said "they would keep it for you". any 2 bit laywer (failure) would tell you that. so they might have id'd the country..It means nothing. they can always say the just looked at just a second and they do not have any idea about coins. And, getting the copshop involved??? do you honestly think they do not have better things to do than chase after your coin when it would be clear to the PO's that it is entirely your fault? NONE of the diners people have broken any laws. Fact is, the coin could be genuinly lost, like fell behind a desk etc.... there is NO theft, there is only your negligence, for not properly protecting your property. you can not place the onus on others doing it for you.... unless u have a contract with them......in writing. and btw, I do not believe that your daughter would be a acceptable witness in this case. ( next of kin, and hence being biased) Sorry.. but it is called " lifes experiences".
So what happens when the diner finds the coin, you go back and get it, and it is a 2 Euro Cent coin in the flip.
Now what?
Police : Criminal Action
I fail to see a criminal action, unless losing it is criminal, in which case, do you press charges against yourself?
While I have empathy for your loss, in my limited experience, the police do not get involved in civil disputes. That is what small claims courts are all about (or district courts for more $$).
In my previous life, I have tried about 15 criminal cases, with the longest sentence being 2 years, before I decided it was not what I wanted to do. All I see is a civil dispute, but I am not a currently licensed attorney.
Well, I am off to another coin show this morning. My shirt has a pocket this time so I am good to go. And by the way, the Gold Coast Coin Club of LI meets on Wednesdays.
So sorry to hear about the bad luck! I also had a coin fall out of a pocket once and ever since, I have gone with cargo shorts with strong Velcro or a zippered pockets.
<< <i>I attended a coin show recently and bought 4 coins. I went with a friend to a diner right after the show, had a meal, came home, and found one of the coins were missing. My friend suggested calling the restaurant and asking if they found the coin. Sure enough, the waitress told me she did, tried to find me after I left, and that they were holding it for safe keeping. I decided to drive back to the place, only to be told that the owner or cashier (not sure of his role) can't find it now and misplaced it in the office. It's been over a week, my call was not returned yesterday by him when i called for a status check. He told me face to face the day it went lost, that I shouldn't worry, I would get my coin, they would find it, etc.
What would you do? In my mind they are legally responsible for the safekeeping of the coin once they found and identified it.
Any suggestions? >>
<< <i>What would you do in this situation? >>
I would kiss the thought of ever getting the coin back, goodbye and then I would find the nearest "wall" and give my head a couple of good hard whacks. I would not blame ANYBODY nor hold ANYBODY responsible other than myself. Regardless of what they said or did.
This is the biggest problem with this world today. Folks simply refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. >>
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!!!
My gosh, someone loses something and all of a sudden the police need to be called???? Threaten lawsuits????
LOOK IN THE MIRROR for the person responsible!!!!
UGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
What we've got here is failure to communicate.....
If nothing else, any outsider coming to the forum wouldn't be able to say that folks here aren't dramatic! Look at all the replies, and their "styles", that the OP has gotten to this thread....
I would go to the restaurant and talk with the same boss one more time. Tell him it's unfortunate that it's still lost and you are going to call the police right now, right here, to come and take a report. And if the local newspaper is the type that prints the police activity each day or week, also work in how unfortunate it will be that his name and the restaurant will be publicly tied to this difficult situation of the coin being accidentally lost.
Then tell him you're going to wait outside while maybe he looks for the coin one more time before the police arrive.
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The question is one of care. In many states, there are provisions for what is reasonable care of an item that is in the possession of another. Slight care vs. reasonable care. If the holder of the coin in question is not paid, then slight care is utilized. If the holder of the coin were paid to watch the coin, then reasonable care, which is more than slight, would be the norm. I have a feeling that it will be difficult to prove any care but slight care, whereby the restaurant cannot be held liable.
My wallet slipped out of the back pocket of my pants at a busy family donut shop 2 months ago (I wear scrubs so it's easy to do). I didn't notice it was gone until I got to work that morning 15 minutes away. I called and they found it still in the booth where I was sitting. I was sick to my stomach all morning thinking what a headache I was potentially facing. I went back on my lunch break 5 hours later and the handed it to me from behind the counter, everything in it (and several hundred dollars) still intact. I bought several dozen donuts as appreciation.
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Went to the police station last week to file the report . It was actually taken seriously, just have to call to have them mail the report. Called several times to the diner and never got a call back. No surprise with waitresses covering for him. I plan to visit there soon.
<< <i>My wallet slipped out of the back pocket of my pants at a busy family donut shop 2 months ago (I wear scrubs so it's easy to do). I didn't notice it was gone until I got to work that morning 15 minutes away. I called and they found it still in the booth where I was sitting. I was sick to my stomach all morning thinking what a headache I was potentially facing. I went back on my lunch break 5 hours later and the handed it to me from behind the counter, everything in it (and several hundred dollars) still intact. I bought several dozen donuts as appreciation. >>
I bet they were thrilled about that! Yum, yum, more donuts! Who wouldn't have a craving for donuts? People who work at a donut shop.
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If I was the owner of the restaurant, I would be ticked off, and I would not return calls either.
Unknown person says they lost something of value in my place, and waitress X says we have it.
Do you have a receipt on the coin? No Do you have proof of ownership of coin? No All our waitstaff wears nametags, so it is easy to say "Person named X told me" Police report is made? Lawsuit is threatened?
Courtroom: Judge, I purchased a coin for cash, which I have no receipt, and lost it in the restaurant, and some person who wears a nametag said it was found when I called, but have no recording of the call, and now they do not have it. Although it was marked $110, I paid $60 for it, but I feel it is actually a rare coin worth $4000.
I want $4000 plus costs.
Judge: Judgment in favor of restaurant for Legal Fees and costs.
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You paid something less than the full price listed on the flip-no? Let's say you are into the coin $75-$100. What might happen when you pay $25 to grade it is not material to me as you might simply lose the $25 when the coin does not grade out as nicely as you hope. We will never know if it might have netted you an extra $75 either.
Now, I assume you are a professional who bills a few hundred dollars an hour? If so, this is about 15 minutes of your time (since your hour is only 50 minutes anyway).
Move on and learn a lesson from it and accept their apologies that they lost your coin (as you did) in good faith. Why would you even consider dragging your daughter into a stressful fight involving so little?
Just my two cents. Wondercoin.
<< <i>I attended a coin show recently and bought 4 coins. I went with a friend to a diner right after the show, had a meal, came home, and found one of the coins were missing. My friend suggested calling the restaurant and asking if they found the coin. Sure enough, the waitress told me she did, tried to find me after I left, and that they were holding it for safe keeping. I decided to drive back to the place, only to be told that the owner or cashier (not sure of his role) can't find it now and misplaced it in the office. It's been over a week, my call was not returned yesterday by him when i called for a status check. He told me face to face the day it went lost, that I shouldn't worry, I would get my coin, they would find it, etc.
What would you do? In my mind they are legally responsible for the safekeeping of the coin once they found and identified it.
Any suggestions? >>
<< <i>What would you do in this situation? >>
I would kiss the thought of ever getting the coin back, goodbye and then I would find the nearest "wall" and give my head a couple of good hard whacks. I would not blame ANYBODY nor hold ANYBODY responsible other than myself. Regardless of what they said or did.
This is the biggest problem with this world today. Folks simply refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.
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Jon: <<I would suggest that you go to the restaurant and ask the police to join you to file a report... once the coin was identified it can be considered stolen.... at this point should the manager just be playing games it will be "found" if not you have done all you can and a police report ...over $100 yes... my two cents >>
Is this sound advice?
The good news is that he called his twin brother who happened to be in town from Albany visiting relatives and his twin agreed to fill in.
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My sense is that the coin, with grading fees, would be worth $250.
It was a 2.5 hour round trip ride to the show and then that again when I went back to the diner.
I charge less for my 50 min hr than most doctors. But sometimes everything isn't about dollars and cents. Going to a coin show is fun for me, except when something like this happens. I could have worked for the 5 hrs and made more money, but that is not the point.
By the way,I had tipped the waitress pretty well, even though she screwed up my friend's order a bit. She clearly tried to do the right thing and I will give her something if I ever get the coin back.
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<< <i>Unfortunately I might go that route. It isn't the money as much as the incompetence or dishonesty of the one who lost it and can't remember where he put it in the office. >>
Remember you lost the coin as well. You probably should have removed the $110 price tag as that told someone is had some decent value. Perhaps you could go buy the local coin shop and see if that coin was sold to them within a couple days after this happened. My guess would be that whoever stole it wasn't really interested in that coin, but saw the $110 price tag and figured they could get $50 for it.
it is obvious, at least to me, that a true blue collector would not have carried collectors coins in a pant or jacket pocket just like loose change.
Your suggestion about "should have worn a shirt' just does not hold any weight.
It is entirely your responsibility.
You had NO contract with the diners for safe keeping, even though they said "they would keep it for you". any 2 bit laywer (failure) would tell you that.
so they might have id'd the country..It means nothing. they can always say the just looked at just a second and they do not have any idea about coins.
And, getting the copshop involved??? do you honestly think they do not have better things to do than chase after your coin when it would be clear to the PO's that it is entirely your fault?
NONE of the diners people have broken any laws. Fact is, the coin could be genuinly lost, like fell behind a desk etc....
there is NO theft, there is only your negligence, for not properly protecting your property.
you can not place the onus on others doing it for you.... unless u have a contract with them......in writing.
and btw, I do not believe that your daughter would be a acceptable witness in this case. ( next of kin, and hence being biased)
Sorry.. but it is called " lifes experiences".
Thread is much more interesting than learning that the Long Island coin club is meeting at Delveccios on Tuesday night.
Now what?
Police : Criminal Action
I fail to see a criminal action, unless losing it is criminal, in which case, do you press charges against yourself?
While I have empathy for your loss, in my limited experience, the police do not get involved in civil disputes. That is what small claims courts are all about (or district courts for more $$).
In my previous life, I have tried about 15 criminal cases, with the longest sentence being 2 years, before I decided it was not what I wanted to do. All I see is a civil dispute, but I am not a currently licensed attorney.
I always take one to any show and how worries about dropping a coin, etc....
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<< <i>Sounds like someone at the restaurant just added a new coin to his collection. >>
no surprises there
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<< <i>I attended a coin show recently and bought 4 coins. I went with a friend to a diner right after the show, had a meal, came home, and found one of the coins were missing. My friend suggested calling the restaurant and asking if they found the coin. Sure enough, the waitress told me she did, tried to find me after I left, and that they were holding it for safe keeping. I decided to drive back to the place, only to be told that the owner or cashier (not sure of his role) can't find it now and misplaced it in the office. It's been over a week, my call was not returned yesterday by him when i called for a status check. He told me face to face the day it went lost, that I shouldn't worry, I would get my coin, they would find it, etc.
What would you do? In my mind they are legally responsible for the safekeeping of the coin once they found and identified it.
Any suggestions? >>
<< <i>What would you do in this situation? >>
I would kiss the thought of ever getting the coin back, goodbye and then I would find the nearest "wall" and give my head a couple of good hard whacks. I would not blame ANYBODY nor hold ANYBODY responsible other than myself. Regardless of what they said or did.
This is the biggest problem with this world today. Folks simply refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. >>
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!!!
My gosh, someone loses something and all of a sudden the police need to be called???? Threaten lawsuits????
LOOK IN THE MIRROR for the person responsible!!!!
UGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Look at all the replies, and their "styles", that the OP has gotten to this thread....
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I would go to the restaurant and talk with the same boss one more time. Tell him it's unfortunate that it's still lost and you are going to call the police right now,
right here, to come and take a report. And if the local newspaper is the type that prints the police activity each day or week, also work in how unfortunate it will
be that his name and the restaurant will be publicly tied to this difficult situation of the coin being accidentally lost.
Then tell him you're going to wait outside while maybe he looks for the coin one more time before the police arrive.
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at all.
Coin was lost, found, then lost again.
Whether the restaurant owner has the coin or not, he is
committed to his story now. He cannot change it.
Get the cargo pants for the next show.
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<< <i>My wallet slipped out of the back pocket of my pants at a busy family donut shop 2 months ago (I wear scrubs so it's easy to do). I didn't notice it was gone until I got to work that morning 15 minutes away. I called and they found it still in the booth where I was sitting. I was sick to my stomach all morning thinking what a headache I was potentially facing. I went back on my lunch break 5 hours later and the handed it to me from behind the counter, everything in it (and several hundred dollars) still intact. I bought several dozen donuts as appreciation. >>
I bet they were thrilled about that! Yum, yum, more donuts! Who wouldn't have a craving for donuts? People who work at a donut shop.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Unknown person says they lost something of value in my place, and waitress X says we have it.
Do you have a receipt on the coin? No
Do you have proof of ownership of coin? No
All our waitstaff wears nametags, so it is easy to say "Person named X told me"
Police report is made?
Lawsuit is threatened?
Courtroom: Judge, I purchased a coin for cash, which I have no receipt, and lost it in the restaurant, and some person who wears a nametag said it was found when I called, but have no recording of the call, and now they do not have it. Although it was marked $110, I paid $60 for it, but I feel it is actually a rare coin worth $4000.
I want $4000 plus costs.
Judge: Judgment in favor of restaurant for Legal Fees and costs.
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