1968 Ryan PSA-9 Legit??

natetrook

1968 Ryan RC

Some red flags. No listings or feedback for a while. No other cards. ?hijacked account

maddux69

This is a Milton Bradley correct?

begsu1013

i can assure that guy is legit.

however it does appear to be a bradley and a very weak 9 as well.

edit: and this is funny as i was just discussing w/ another board member how often the mb's pop up in reg slabs...

begsu1013

d@mn. 3 bidders over $22K for that ryan 9.

wonder if it get's submitted to be a bradley...would bring the pop up to a 2.

maysmantle

Quite the strong finish for this one. 22k!

Dpeck100

I watched that live. What an explosion at the end.

schapko

I thought/hoped it would fly under the radar as I was the fourth highest bid with 4 seconds to go. I can't believe there were three 22k bidders. I just wasn't willing to take a chance that it wasn't a MB.

gemint

I know there's some inside jokes about MB and this card but a serious question here. What in the scan leads some to believe it could be a MB?

begsu1013

white line down the side of the card. and the back color, although its hard for me to tell the actual back color until the card is in hand due to different scanners/settings.

gregf

<< <i>white line down the side of the card. and the back color, although its hard for me to tell the actual back color until the card is in hand due to different scanners/settings. >>



Does this mean that the flip is incorrect then?

begsu1013

most likely. but not necessarily wrong, there just wasn't designation between the reg topps and mb early on w/ any of the tpgs.

mtcards

It MIGHT be a MB. The scan color is definitely towards the yellow on the back, but not as yellow as some I have seen in the wrong holder. Would love for PSA or Beckett to explain how so many of these are in wrong holders.

timpatg

Just for comparison:

gregf

<< <i>most likely. but not necessarily wrong, there just wasn't designation between the reg topps and mb early on w/ any of the tpgs. >>



Wow, found quite the heated discussion about this Milton Bradley card:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=865960&STARTPAGE=7

Seems that the Milton Bradley version, based on VCP data, is twice as valuable as the standard issue. If that's the case, and this is the MB version (as it clearly appears to be) then the auction winner hit the jackpot with this one, assuming they know it's in the wrong flip, and get it reholdered for a quick and profitable flip!

begsu1013

again. might be a mb. if not, that is definitely a lower end 9, imo. either way, they will be happy eventually as I don't see that card losing any major value...

mlbfan2

It's a MB because the card is centered and the white line is still showing on the left. Amirite?

begsu1013

yes, but the tell tale is in the back color. I will admit, I am still a novice when it comes to spotting it over the screen. too many different scanners and settings folks use. in hand it's easy as can be, but usually the white line is the first and a great indicator

Warriors8

So is this a Milton Bradley can anyone confirm?

Dpeck100

<< <i>So is this a Milton Bradley can anyone confirm? >>




I just typed in the cert from the auction.


PSA 9

Warriors8

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<< <i>So is this a Milton Bradley can anyone confirm? >>




I just typed in the cert from the auction.


PSA 9 >>


Wow thanks. Pop is 2 now for Milton Bradley Ryan in PSA 9!

Dpeck100

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<< <i>So is this a Milton Bradley can anyone confirm? >>




I just typed in the cert from the auction.


PSA 9 >>


Wow thanks. Pop is 2 now for Milton Bradley Ryan in PSA 9! >>



Cha ching!

begsu1013

i will take the pepsi challenge w/ my 8 or maybe even 7.5 against that 9...to me, that is a label card thru and thru.

but I do hope it goes big!!!

gregf

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<< <i>So is this a Milton Bradley can anyone confirm? >>




I just typed in the cert from the auction.


PSA 9 >>


Wow thanks. Pop is 2 now for Milton Bradley Ryan in PSA 9! >>



Cha ching! >>




Bank robbery! Nicely done to the winner!

MULLINS5

I have to ask the question....is PSA liable for such an error on the flip?

The seller, based on the description in the listing, clearly believes that this is a POP 61 card and NOT a POP 2 MB Ryan.

Just putting myself in the seller's shoes. I'd be pretty ticked off if I left $20k on the table because of a PSA error, which is what this is looking like it is.

begsu1013

not really an error. they just simply didn't designate between the 2 early on. none of the tpgs did.

MULLINS5

<< <i>not really an error. they just simply didn't designate between the 2 early on. none of the tpgs did. >>



Ahh, that make sense. Can't help but feel bad for the seller. Clearly by the description he though this was another card. Eh, well. Nice pick-up for whoever bought it!

begsu1013

the seller is 4th on the basic topps nolan ryan set. i am pretty sure he is / was knowledable about the mb version and i think he bought it well under $10k. he actually has another 9 as well.

i understand what ya are saying about leaving some extra funds on the table, but i think he did well at the end of the day too.

i also think he realized it was a weak 9 and ended up letting her go because he has a true 9.

just speculation.

gregf

<< <i>the seller is 4th on the basic topps nolan ryan set. i am pretty sure he is / was knowledable about the mb version and i think he bought it well under $10k. he actually has another 9 as well.

i understand what ya are saying about leaving some extra funds on the table, but i think he did well at the end of the day too.

i also think he realized it was a weak 9 and ended up letting her go because he has a true 9.

just speculation. >>



Hmm ... if he knew what he had wouldn't he had gotten it reholdered? I don't see the logic in keeping it in the wrong holder if the correct one has a double the sale price potential.

MULLINS5

<< <i>the seller is 4th on the basic topps nolan ryan set. i am pretty sure he is / was knowledable about the mb version and i think he bought it well under $10k. he actually has another 9 as well.

i understand what ya are saying about leaving some extra funds on the table, but i think he did well at the end of the day too.

i also think he realized it was a weak 9 and ended up letting her go because he has a true 9.

just speculation. >>



Hopefully he is happy with the sale. I don't know a lot about this card but if the MB sells for twice as much I'd be bummed leaving 20 grand on the table regardless of how much I initially picked it up for. Just me, though.

I'm surprised that the seller is on the Ryan registry at the 4th spot and didn't know this is a MB. It is pretty evident in the eBay description that he thought he was selling a regular version.

Dpeck100

I have a friend who collects cards and reads the boards. Since it was being discussed he wanted to see if his copy was a Milton Bradley. I said I would post the image and see what others thought.


Here is the scan.

mrmint23

Dpeck contact goheels on net54 he is a MB expert. Wrote the article in scd about mb. Key to identifying is the back color as white line is not always visible.

begsu1013

<< <i>Hmm ... if he knew what he had wouldn't he had gotten it reholdered? I don't see the logic in keeping it in the wrong holder if the correct one has a double the sale price potential. >>



trying to understand the logic of any other collector is futile, honestly. we can sit here and play the what if game all night and still never get to the answer....

on this thread alone there is a guy trying to compile an all psa 10 set of 89 hockey solely from packs he's ripped and submitted himself. there's another guy that has completely dominated the 82/83 wrestling all stars set w. unrivaled passion. another that rocks the top 3 ryan spots....could all of them some how, some way done it cheaper? sure. but everyone has their own method of madness and walking away from $20k might sound odd to us, but might not be to him. he mighta bought his own card as well. you just never know...

and let me go ahead and put this out there...I do not think a MB 9, or more importantly that mb 9, would fetch $50K. the guy in those top 3 ryan spots wouldn't have gone over $22,222 and he had a pretty good idea that it was an mb from the start.

i am thinking more along the lines of $30-$38 tops. hopefully this one might come up soon and i'll be wrong....

edit: gregf, did we ever answer dan's question?

gregf

<< <i>I have a friend who collects cards and reads the boards. Since it was being discussed he wanted to see if his copy was a Milton Bradley. I said I would post the image and see what others thought.


Here is the scan.


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That white stripe is a telltale sign yes?

begsu1013

no, its an indicator. it's the back color that is the tell tale.

Dpeck100

I will contact him and see if I can get a back scan.


Any thoughts on the condition?

begsu1013

I would venture an 8 and a lot better than that 9. the scan is pretty damn good too...

grote15

<< <i>I will contact him and see if I can get a back scan.


Any thoughts on the condition? >>



It appears to be already graded.

Dpeck100

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<< <i>I will contact him and see if I can get a back scan.


Any thoughts on the condition? >>



It appears to be already graded. >>




It is. Just wanted to see if there were any guesses.

grote15

I would guess NM-MT 8.

begsu1013

and the more I think about it, where did this MB is worth twice as much myth come from? i recently bought my mb 8 from pwcc for $5k. and reg 8s have been fetching $3-$3800 for a while. so this double myth has me scratching my head...sure there are people asking for prices that are twice that and there may be a instance where someone wanted one badly, but the double thing simply is not true.

in fact, people and set builders really want the reg version as the mb can not be added to the 68 set or the ryan basic sets. and psa wont do a rookie set that includes the veni, mb, opc and reg version, so you really weed a lot of the potential buyers out that have the money to drop on a card like that.

very few sales of the mb version over a 6, so here are recent sales...

mb version:

6/22/15 eBay Auction $550.00
6/14/15 eBay Auction $563.00
5/11/15 eBay Auction $558.88
5/2/15 eBay Auction $568.88
1/21/15 eBay Auction $685.95

regular version

6/23/15 eBay Auction $461.58
6/22/15 eBay Auction $473.57
6/22/15 eBay Auction $467.73
6/14/15 eBay Auction $440.00
6/9/15 eBay Auction $456.00
5/21/15 eBay Listing $515.00
5/18/15 eBay Listing $599.00
5/17/15 eBay Auction $458.00
5/17/15 eBay Auction $430.00
5/14/15 eBay Listing $880.00
5/14/15 eBay Listing $516.99
5/10/15 eBay Auction $455.02
4/30/15 eBay Auction $460.01
4/29/15 eBay Auction $648.88
4/26/15 eBay Auction $510.00
4/19/15 eBay Auction $565.00
4/16/15 eBay Auction $580.00
4/16/15 eBay Listing $525.00
4/11/15 eBay Listing $520.00
4/6/15 eBay Auction $423.00
4/6/15 eBay Auction $427.22
4/2/15 eBay Auction $400.01
3/27/15 eBay Listing $527.00
3/26/15 eBay Auction $556.00
3/26/15 eBay Listing $540.00

Dpeck100

I will get a back scan up Sunday night when he returns home.

In the mean time. What is the difference in the back color?

begsu1013

change bait.

Dpeck100

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change bait. >>





Is that picture of you Bob?

begsu1013

no, that's tom.

Dpeck100

Here is a copy that has a misleading title without the MC in it.



MB Ryan



It says in the description a much lighter yellow border and more sheen surface. You have any back scans of yours to compare? Is it easy to tell from a scan?

Warriors8

Ryan rookie is a tough one. Only 1 PSA 10.

Dpeck100

<< <i>Ryan rookie is a tough one. Only 1 PSA 10. >>




Oh yeah. I feel confident that the owner loves the fact that they can say they have the only 10.

begsu1013

i see themarsman has joined the community, maybe he will shed a lil light on the situation....

casey, you had to know that was an mb, right?

would love to see some scans should ya ever upload. especially of that 71 set.

not really a yearly set builder, but i must confess...that's the one set i really have the desire to start!

welcome regardless! it's been fun watching you climb!!!

Warriors8

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<< <i>Ryan rookie is a tough one. Only 1 PSA 10. >>




Oh yeah. I feel confident that the owner loves the fact that they can say they have the only 10. >>


I completely agree.

gregf

<< <i>and the more I think about it, where did this MB is worth twice as much myth come from? i recently bought my mb 8 from pwcc for $5k. and reg 8s have been fetching $3-$3800 for a while. so this double myth has me scratching my head...sure there are people asking for prices that are twice that and there may be a instance where someone wanted one badly, but the double thing simply is not true.

in fact, people and set builders really want the reg version as the mb can not be added to the 68 set or the ryan basic sets. and psa wont do a rookie set that includes the veni, mb, opc and reg version, so you really weed a lot of the potential buyers out that have the money to drop on a card like that.

very few sales of the mb version over a 6, so here are recent sales...

mb version:

6/22/15 eBay Auction $550.00
6/14/15 eBay Auction $563.00
5/11/15 eBay Auction $558.88
5/2/15 eBay Auction $568.88
1/21/15 eBay Auction $685.95

regular version

6/23/15 eBay Auction $461.58
6/22/15 eBay Auction $473.57
6/22/15 eBay Auction $467.73
6/14/15 eBay Auction $440.00
6/9/15 eBay Auction $456.00
5/21/15 eBay Listing $515.00
5/18/15 eBay Listing $599.00
5/17/15 eBay Auction $458.00
5/17/15 eBay Auction $430.00
5/14/15 eBay Listing $880.00
5/14/15 eBay Listing $516.99
5/10/15 eBay Auction $455.02
4/30/15 eBay Auction $460.01
4/29/15 eBay Auction $648.88
4/26/15 eBay Auction $510.00
4/19/15 eBay Auction $565.00
4/16/15 eBay Auction $580.00
4/16/15 eBay Listing $525.00
4/11/15 eBay Listing $520.00
4/6/15 eBay Auction $423.00
4/6/15 eBay Auction $427.22
4/2/15 eBay Auction $400.01
3/27/15 eBay Listing $527.00
3/26/15 eBay Auction $556.00
3/26/15 eBay Listing $540.00 >>



PSA 8 Milton Bradley's have been selling for over twice what the Topps has, according to VCP data. As grades get higher these kind of price separations for high quality tough cards tend to get more extreme. Especially when you get to the PSA 10 "best of the best" realm.

gregf

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<< <i>Ryan rookie is a tough one. Only 1 PSA 10. >>




Oh yeah. I feel confident that the owner loves the fact that they can say they have the only 10. >>


I completely agree. >>