Crazy bidding activity...due to the "high-end" PWCC certification?
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What am i missing?.....been sleep deprived so I'm probably missing something very simple.
1974 Ryan PSA 9 with "PWCC high end certification" goes for over $1625!!!
Background....basically one PSA 9 sells per month within a tight range of $380-440 over the past 3 years. Doesn't seem rare.
When i found mine a few years ago it wasn't that difficult to find centered. Maybe now it is but still a nice steady volume selling. This one was very visually appealing.
Today it stayed at $950ish (already double the norm) until the last few seconds when it jumped to $1625..didnt see that one coming.
the two big bidders had very high % with PWCC but with their (PWCC) volume may it not be unusual. I don't subscribe to them shilling their own auctions although maybe the consignor does at times but it still took two to get into the thousands. Then another two bidders entered the fray.
Conclusion...open to suggestions...maybe the high end certification does work. So how do i get mine certified? Theres the can of worms. Its a small sample size so far but it does seem the "sticker" does attract even more eyes.
1974 Ryan PSA 9 with "PWCC high end certification" goes for over $1625!!!
Background....basically one PSA 9 sells per month within a tight range of $380-440 over the past 3 years. Doesn't seem rare.
When i found mine a few years ago it wasn't that difficult to find centered. Maybe now it is but still a nice steady volume selling. This one was very visually appealing.
Today it stayed at $950ish (already double the norm) until the last few seconds when it jumped to $1625..didnt see that one coming.
the two big bidders had very high % with PWCC but with their (PWCC) volume may it not be unusual. I don't subscribe to them shilling their own auctions although maybe the consignor does at times but it still took two to get into the thousands. Then another two bidders entered the fray.
Conclusion...open to suggestions...maybe the high end certification does work. So how do i get mine certified? Theres the can of worms. Its a small sample size so far but it does seem the "sticker" does attract even more eyes.
Interested in higher grade vintage cards. Aren't we all. 
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A lot of times when they have multiple copies of cards in the same grade they pace at almost identical prices until the snipes come in.
I know PWCC cards do get a bit of a percentage premium due to their customer base. Especially for "high-end" rookie cards, certain stars. But for a 1974 Ryan? wow...but a Quadruple premium.....I want a sticker!!
Of course the high end "works." However, huge conflict of interest. I've seen several gem 10s with this certification. I find those a little ridiculous.
Does a collector buying psa 9 1974 Nolan Ryan cards really need a subjective opinion by the seller of said card to believe it is high end? Isn't that the point of the PSA 9 grade and your eyesight in the first place?
I can understand a small premium being added to the hammer price, but this one is on a completely different level.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I get that there will be a premium but a multiple of this kind is pretty steep.
The real question is how are these cards going to get treated by PSA with the stickers on them. Will they pay attention? Will it perhaps persuade a grader to lean more towards the bump? In my view that will be the ultimate test and we won't know the answer to these questions for awhile.
<< <i>and then what happens if a card does get the bump? obviously the case would be cracked and sticker disposed of. you would still have the cert document, but then it's a cert for an "8" vs "8.5 or 9". not speaking of this ryan, just a card in general as there are older cards w/ grades of 6's and 7's that have the "high end cert" >>
People will talk and if there are reports of cards bumping the premiums will be large.
<< <i>And people thought the BBCE shrinkwrap commanded a premium!
Does a collector buying psa 9 1974 Nolan Ryan cards really need a subjective opinion by the seller of said card to believe it is high end? Isn't that the point of the PSA 9 grade and your eyesight in the first place?
I can understand a small premium being added to the hammer price, but this one is on a completely different level. >>
BBCE shrink wrap is nothing like the PWCC "Good Housekeeping" seal of approval.
BBCE shrink wrap means that one of the foremost experts in unopened material has examined the item
and rendered an opinion that it is authentic. How many unopened collectors can pick up evidence of
tampering in an unopened product at a consistent percentage rate anywhere near to what Steve Hart
can achieve?
Unless Brent is now a recognized expert, the PWCC sticker means that someone thinks a card is
nice for the technical grade. Most collectors should be able to tell that without being guided by
someone else who is no more an expert than they are.
It would be more valuable for Brent to create a form of provenance that a particular card, with a particular
flip number was sold by PWCC. He could even keep an image database of all of the cards he has sold which
could be made publicly available and checked by collectors to see what the card looked like when it was sold
by PWCC. Now THAT would be very valuable IMO.
This sticker thing is nothing more than effective marketing aimed at manipulating the opinions of the less experienced.
Dave
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
75 Ryan 9
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<< <i>And people thought the BBCE shrinkwrap commanded a premium!
Does a collector buying psa 9 1974 Nolan Ryan cards really need a subjective opinion by the seller of said card to believe it is high end? Isn't that the point of the PSA 9 grade and your eyesight in the first place?
I can understand a small premium being added to the hammer price, but this one is on a completely different level. >>
It would be more valuable for Brent to create a form of provenance that a particular card, with a particular
flip number was sold by PWCC. He could even keep an image database of all of the cards he has sold which
could be made publicly available and checked by collectors to see what the card looked like when it was sold
by PWCC. Now THAT would be very valuable IMO. >>
PWCC does have an image database of all the cards they've sold..........see "auction history" on their website.
And therein lies the problem. For the extra value on the high-end cards, is there a subsequent de-valuing of the non high-end cards? Don't know, but I guess I'm in the minority because non high-end cards went for a bundle also.
I also bid on the 71 Banks, but again, I'm thinking why did this card NOT get a sticker. So I went back a few hours before the deadline, looked at the card again, and didn't like the centering all that much, so I lowered my bid to non-aggressive. Maybe I was subconsciously looking for a flaw? Needless to say, I was blown away on that one.
I imagine some of PWCC's big consignors are jockeying to get that sticker now.
I admire that Brent is taking initiative and leading the charge for e-bay driven card auctions, so i can't fault him for that. They are still the best IMHO.
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>David, I was being facetious.
Understood. I was expressing an opinion that I find the whole PWCC sticker thing geared solely to benefit
sellers and PWCC, and that if Brent wanted to really do something that would benefit all interested parties
(instead of just hyping cards so that neophytes overpay for them and/or large consignors start playing the
game of "sticker me or I will consign elsewhere") then he should maintain and make accessible an image
database of every card/item he sells that is "serialized" (or that could be serialized by a sticker like he has).
Imagine you see a card for sale somewhere with PSA flip # 12345678 and it's a well-centered PSA 7
Clemente RC. You punch that flip number into PWCC's database and discover that they sold that flip
13 months ago (a PSA 7 Clemente), but the centering is completely different than what is being offered
now. Helpful?
Or perhaps its a BBCE authenticated 1975 mini wax box that PWCC adds a sticker (serialized) on the bottom
when they sell it. Now some of the history of that box is available to future purchasers. Or taken 1 step further
PWCC could have a registry-like database for items that they serialized (that were previously not serialized) that
keeps track of ownership transfers (voluntary that buyer and/or seller could log the transaction in) so that the
chain-of-custody/ownership (i.e. a form of provenance) of an item could be available to potential buyers when
something PWCC sold is offered for resale in the future.
Images of what it looked like when it was at PWCC could certainly help root out efforts to pass off crack & swap
cards versus what was originally graded. Seeing the number of turnovers of an item (not necessarily the identities
of who owned it) might also be helpful. I don't think naming prior owners would be a good idea, but knowing
how many hands something has gone through on the unopened side can add a lot of valuable info.
IMO the sticker thing is going to end up adversely "tainting" an otherwise huge asset to the hobby, as any of the
following could either occur, or create concern that it was occurring even if it were not:
- the temptation for PWCC to apply the sticker (and generate higher final values) results in over-application of the sticker
- consignors start trying to use the existence of the sticker to extract favorable placements with PWCC
- buyers who pay premium prices do not get expected "bumps" or find it hard to generate the price paid on later efforts at resale
Instead of the the item being arbitrarily deemed "high end" I'd find it a lot more valuable having the item identifiable as having
been sold and recorded (and possibly even traceable from a provenance standpoint) from a high end broker. That would be worth
a small premium IMO.
Dave
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<< <i>David, I was being facetious.
Understood. I was expressing an opinion that I find the whole PWCC sticker thing geared solely to benefit
sellers and PWCC, and that if Brent wanted to really do something that would benefit all interested parties
(instead of just hyping cards so that neophytes overpay for them and/or large consignors start playing the
game of "sticker me or I will consign elsewhere") then he should maintain and make accessible an image
database of every card/item he sells that is "serialized" (or that could be serialized by a sticker like he has).
Imagine you see a card for sale somewhere with PSA flip # 12345678 and it's a well-centered PSA 7
Clemente RC. You punch that flip number into PWCC's database and discover that they sold that flip
13 months ago (a PSA 7 Clemente), but the centering is completely different than what is being offered
now. Helpful?
Or perhaps its a BBCE authenticated 1975 mini wax box that PWCC adds a sticker (serialized) on the bottom
when they sell it. Now some of the history of that box is available to future purchasers. Or taken 1 step further
PWCC could have a registry-like database for items that they serialized (that were previously not serialized) that
keeps track of ownership transfers (voluntary that buyer and/or seller could log the transaction in) so that the
chain-of-custody/ownership (i.e. a form of provenance) of an item could be available to potential buyers when
something PWCC sold is offered for resale in the future.
Images of what it looked like when it was at PWCC could certainly help root out efforts to pass off crack & swap
cards versus what was originally graded. Seeing the number of turnovers of an item (not necessarily the identities
of who owned it) might also be helpful. I don't think naming prior owners would be a good idea, but knowing
how many hands something has gone through on the unopened side can add a lot of valuable info.
IMO the sticker thing is going to end up adversely "tainting" an otherwise huge asset to the hobby, as any of the
following could either occur, or create concern that it was occurring even if it were not:
- the temptation for PWCC to apply the sticker (and generate higher final values) results in over-application of the sticker
- consignors start trying to use the existence of the sticker to extract favorable placements with PWCC
- buyers who pay premium prices do not get expected "bumps" or find it hard to generate the price paid on later efforts at resale
Instead of the the item being arbitrarily deemed "high end" I'd find it a lot more valuable having the item identifiable as having
been sold and recorded (and possibly even traceable from a provenance standpoint) from a high end broker. That would be worth
a small premium IMO. >>
Extracting your 2nd paragraph:
Imagine you see a card for sale somewhere with PSA flip # 12345678 and it's a well-centered PSA 7
Clemente RC. You punch that flip number into PWCC's database and discover that they sold that flip
13 months ago (a PSA 7 Clemente), but the centering is completely different than what is being offered
now. Helpful?Text
I lost you here. Someone cracked out the original PSA 7 and put a different PSA 7 in the case that is not as well centered? Please elaborate.
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
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<< <i>David, I was being facetious.
Understood. I was expressing an opinion that I find the whole PWCC sticker thing geared solely to benefit
sellers and PWCC, and that if Brent wanted to really do something that would benefit all interested parties
(instead of just hyping cards so that neophytes overpay for them and/or large consignors start playing the
game of "sticker me or I will consign elsewhere") then he should maintain and make accessible an image
database of every card/item he sells that is "serialized" (or that could be serialized by a sticker like he has).
Imagine you see a card for sale somewhere with PSA flip # 12345678 and it's a well-centered PSA 7
Clemente RC. You punch that flip number into PWCC's database and discover that they sold that flip
13 months ago (a PSA 7 Clemente), but the centering is completely different than what is being offered
now. Helpful?
Or perhaps its a BBCE authenticated 1975 mini wax box that PWCC adds a sticker (serialized) on the bottom
when they sell it. Now some of the history of that box is available to future purchasers. Or taken 1 step further
PWCC could have a registry-like database for items that they serialized (that were previously not serialized) that
keeps track of ownership transfers (voluntary that buyer and/or seller could log the transaction in) so that the
chain-of-custody/ownership (i.e. a form of provenance) of an item could be available to potential buyers when
something PWCC sold is offered for resale in the future.
Images of what it looked like when it was at PWCC could certainly help root out efforts to pass off crack & swap
cards versus what was originally graded. Seeing the number of turnovers of an item (not necessarily the identities
of who owned it) might also be helpful. I don't think naming prior owners would be a good idea, but knowing
how many hands something has gone through on the unopened side can add a lot of valuable info.
IMO the sticker thing is going to end up adversely "tainting" an otherwise huge asset to the hobby, as any of the
following could either occur, or create concern that it was occurring even if it were not:
- the temptation for PWCC to apply the sticker (and generate higher final values) results in over-application of the sticker
- consignors start trying to use the existence of the sticker to extract favorable placements with PWCC
- buyers who pay premium prices do not get expected "bumps" or find it hard to generate the price paid on later efforts at resale
Instead of the the item being arbitrarily deemed "high end" I'd find it a lot more valuable having the item identifiable as having
been sold and recorded (and possibly even traceable from a provenance standpoint) from a high end broker. That would be worth
a small premium IMO. >>
Extracting your 2nd paragraph:
Imagine you see a card for sale somewhere with PSA flip # 12345678 and it's a well-centered PSA 7
Clemente RC. You punch that flip number into PWCC's database and discover that they sold that flip
13 months ago (a PSA 7 Clemente), but the centering is completely different than what is being offered
now. Helpful?Text
I lost you here. Someone cracked out the original PSA 7 and put a different PSA 7 in the case that is not as well centered? Please elaborate. >>
For example, someone carefully cracks out a true 7 and substitutes a well centered 5.5 or maybe a 6. Then re-subs the raw "7" and gets it back in a
new 7 holder. Meanwhile the tampered-with slab gets offered as a 7 on eBay. If the tampering is not too evident someone probably gets scammed.
But give us a way to enter the flip # and the PWCC image database comes up with images of the item when PWCC sold it (which
are pretty likely to appear different than it does post-tampering). Image database could also be done when the items get originally slabbed
and the same value would be provided.
Dave
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Does this happen a lot in your opinion? And if it happens, does the perpetrator (or perpetraDer) re-sell the original flip case with the same consignor? I'm just not clear on how PWCC's serialized database is going to address this rare instance.
I'm curious because I've recently bid on some expensive cards and I'm looking for ways to see if they've been re-holder (same PSA grade, but different flip #). Knowing a card has been reholderd after it was recently sold is important information to me.
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>Are we all underestimating the power of probstein's "LOOKS UNDERGRADED" tagline?
link >>
Good one
Looks Undergraded=High End=Must crack this one=reviewed by grader of death=begging for a bump=too legit to not submit
Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
Prefer to buy in bulk.
<< <i>OK, so the original PSA 7 card has a new case and new flip number, But the original PSA 7 case has a new card (lessor grade).
Does this happen a lot in your opinion? And if it happens, does the perpetrator (or perpetraDer) re-sell the original flip case with the same consignor? I'm just not clear on how PWCC's serialized database is going to address this rare instance.
I'm curious because I've recently bid on some expensive cards and I'm looking for ways to see if they've been re-holder (same PSA grade, but different flip #). Knowing a card has been reholderd after it was recently sold is important information to me. >>
Cant say that it happens a lot or a little. All I know is that it happens and many of us have seen it or experienced it. If there was an image database with close-enough detail of key characteristics you could eliminate a large percentage of the risk that substitutions get made. Every card basically has some unique characteristics in its "fingerprint" (i.e. centering, corner wear, print marks, fish eyes, etc.). I believe it is already done with coins as they get encapsulated. But since that is not the situation with cards, PWCC is a perfect place to initiate such a tool. They already HAVE the images. They just need a way to navigate directly from a flip number to an image, and then its a 1-time exercise to use an image interpreter to match flip numbers to URLs in their existing database.
Might even be able to allow a scan of the newly offered item to be compared by expert software to the image in the PWCC image database and give a percentage value of how closely they match (or percentages for each major characteristic so that if the tint/color is slightly off due to different scanners
you could still get strong verification based on other physical characteristics such as corner wear, edge wear, centering, front and back consistency, etc.).
As long as PWCC "watermarks" their images so they cant be re-used by scammers, all of the technology needed to do that already exists.
And it does not matter whether the scammer re-offers it via PWCC, on eBay or via another AH. Check the flip number against the database and see if the images are consistent. We can already do cert verification to make sure that the grading database shows that the recorded flip number is assigned to the player and has the particular grade that you see in an offered item. I'm just suggesting going the next step.
Dave
After all, PWCC and all other cosigners are a business and they are trying to make as much as possible. It is their job to get as much as possible for their consignees. As long as they stay within certain parameters, that is what they are in business to do, and that should be expected by their buyers. PWCC, Probstein, Mile High & any other auction house you can think of are always trying to be unique & come up with new selling gimmicks. Walmart does it, the place you bought your car from does it, every retail store in America is trying to get the maximum for their product. So what is the big deal that PWCC has come up with a new gimmick? (and I don't mean gimmick in a negative or positive way.)
As far as saying a PSA 9 or 10 is already high grade and should not receive a sticker, how many times do I hear this board say that is a terrible 9 or 10. Even though a card receives a 9 or 10, there are still high sided 9 & 10's just as there are low end 9 & 10's. So a sticker on a 9 just tells you they believe this is a high sided 9.
As far as is it working, it sure appears to be all though plenty of cards without the sticker have gone quite high also, so I don't think anybody has to loose to much sleep about this issue.
or is it possible within their generated rules?
if it is, then lord have mercy on their souls and wallets!
edit: if one is/eventually listed, someone please poke me in time so that i can get the popcorn ready.
Is someone at PWCC giving his opinion that a certain PSA card is better than another similarly graded card?
It kind of makes sense. Everyone knows not all similarly graded cards are the same.
<< <i>curious if there has been a pwcc "high end" 10...yet?
or is it possible within their generated rules?
if it is, then lord have mercy on their souls and wallets!
edit: if one is/eventually listed, someone please poke me in time so that i can get the popcorn ready. >>
Yes........Rick Barry RC PSA 10.......and a Staubach PSA 10 - cant remember what year the Staubach is.
If such a subjective item is now being applied and used to increase the cards value, I think its becoming more important to clear up potential issues before they become issues. And off the top of my head is ...how many certifications are being applied, how many certs per grade are issued, how many certs per general submissions are being issued, etc? They already have a tag number it looks like. So i agree with 70topps. I think there should be a data base....to compare and standardize the grading or submissions....how many psa 9s get a cert, how many 10s, and more importantly allowing us to see the image of which cards get the cert.
This may clear up if these certs do have a value and what the value is. Right now Im having a difficult time wrapping my head around that it has a value of 4 times the going VCP rate! And to some extent it may help prevent fraud. "Does it happen a lot?" was asked. I think fraud happens enough in this hobby that anything to help prevent fraud should be looked at. I think the serial number-matching is a major idea. Ive always wondered why BBCE doesnt include a serial number/ hologram with their wrappings. We all know where there is the potential for easy money people are already working to figure out how to "misrepresent" their items and to fake any authentication in place. We've already heard rumors of various authenticated unopened boxes being opened and found to be tampered with or resealed. Nothing concrete that I can find and thats another thread.
Jeff
Card Country
Graded stars 1950's-1980
Of course had Brent saw the beauty I saw and designated it high end, I would have tripled my snipe
Seriously, though, anomalies can often amount to just two or more guys who saw and liked something enough, and threw out prices they'd be okay paying. Then final bids clash and boom. Especially for cards in lower price ranges, meaning say a card was historically selling for $100. A collector sees one he wants and says, "This is the one for me. I'll drop $300, what the hell." Another guy thinks the same way and like that the old VCP avg is shattered.
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<< <i>Well I wound up going over 2x VCP for the Brett Mini 8-- and it didn't even have a High End sticker. And if there was another collector out there who liked the card as much as I did (or should I say is as crazy or sick as I am?!), and put in a snipe around where mine was, the final price would've been 3x the previous "average" price.
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If you are referring to This one, I had a snipe set for $305 thinking that would be more than enough. Snipe never went off .
some stuff I am willing to pay over VCP for--why? Because usually the money that is paying for the item is already at PWCC in the form of auctions consignments. Brent allows you to pay for your winnings from what you are selling. He just deducts what he owes you after the goods sell. So no money -- technically--comes out of my bank account.
More to the point--the vast majority of my stuff consigned is stuff that I will be making a handsome profit on--adding to my willingness to pay more than what that card/wax pack might have ordinarily been worth
This may be a reason why he gets higher prices also
For cards sub 10 I think the lure of the bump is just too great, especially with cards that almost exponentially increase in value as the grades climb.
Many people play the bump game and if they can get an edge, in their eyes, then I think they'll pay for it.
the cards given the good eye appeal blessing by PWCC and soon to be copycats will raise the VCP averages. If I had a stash of cards to sell I'd put them away for
a couple of months to see if my theory is correct.
Id like to see the results when he puts it up for auction under his own account....what premium are us collectors willing to pay for a stand alone card with the sticker?
Id love to see that PSA 9 '79 Ryan go back up for auction (not under the PWCC heading)....anywhere near the $1600? I don't think the 1st buyer will be happy.
Are we going to see these cards with cert stickers start to show up in REA, Memory Lane, Mile high, Heritage et al AH's ?
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<< <i>What's easy to lose sight of in all this talk of stickers and prices is the bottom line: is the collector happy with the card he's bought for his collection? Assuming it's a legit sale and a collector buy, I have to think the new owner of that 1974 Ryan is happy to have the card, and is more concerned with enjoying it every day than he is at what it might or might not sell for should he re-list it on eBay. >>
Exactly, I doubt the guy is worried about resale. That cards looks as good as they get and I bet it gets buried in a collection for a long time. Or it bumps and hits the market in a new 10 slab.
Im very happy with my overpaid card. The point here is a cert sticker worth quadruple the amount? Im not saying yes or no. Ill wait and see though. Time will tell. Hence the discussion and asked upon opinions.
I can't think of any of my PSA 9 cards that id be happy with if I paid 4x the highest rate. But thats just me. And i thought i was pretty free spending with my money. ha.
Ok back to reality..Cmon Lebron..only because i want a game 7...little bit slow sports wise. Um Ant-man?
<< <i>i did send this one in to psa just for verification and a "are you sure?" >>
I'm confused. You spent probably $5k on this card, then sent it to PSA, asking if they felt like reholdering it as a 9?
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<< <i>If they did deem it a 9 and the 10 a mistake, they would cut him a check for the difference between and 9 and 10 and let him keep the card in a 9 holder. It's happened to me when I bought a higher grade card for a good bit of money. I felt it was overgraded in its existing grade, but would've been a hell of a card in lower grade. They saw the flaw, regraded it properly, and reimbursed me for the difference. Very fair and swift process. >>
Interesting information. I assumed he sent it back to make sure they agreed that the holder was legit.
<< <i>If they did deem it a 9 and the 10 a mistake, they would cut him a check for the difference between and 9 and 10 and let him keep the card in a 9 holder. It's happened to me when I bought a higher grade card for a good bit of money. I felt it was overgraded in its existing grade, but would've been a hell of a card in lower grade. They saw the flaw, regraded it properly, and reimbursed me for the difference. Very fair and swift process. >>
Interesting. PSA 10s have sold for 4k up to 11k. Would PSA give him the difference between an average 9 value and an average 10 value, or would they ask him to show what he actually paid, and refund the difference, if they deem it to be a 9?
<< <i>If they did deem it a 9 and the 10 a mistake, they would cut him a check for the difference between and 9 and 10 and let him keep the card in a 9 holder. It's happened to me when I bought a higher grade card for a good bit of money. I felt it was overgraded in its existing grade, but would've been a hell of a card in lower grade. They saw the flaw, regraded it properly, and reimbursed me for the difference. Very fair and swift process. >>
Hypothetically speaking, in the case of this 74 Ryan coming back a 9, would PSA use VCP or SMR for the value of the PSA 9? The recent PWCC sale of the Ryan 9 is quite a bit higher than other PSA 9 sales.
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<< <i>If they did deem it a 9 and the 10 a mistake, they would cut him a check for the difference between and 9 and 10 and let him keep the card in a 9 holder. It's happened to me when I bought a higher grade card for a good bit of money. I felt it was overgraded in its existing grade, but would've been a hell of a card in lower grade. They saw the flaw, regraded it properly, and reimbursed me for the difference. Very fair and swift process. >>
Wouldn't it have been easier and a lot cheaper on PSA to just get it right the first time?
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<< <i>If they did deem it a 9 and the 10 a mistake, they would cut him a check for the difference between and 9 and 10 and let him keep the card in a 9 holder. It's happened to me when I bought a higher grade card for a good bit of money. I felt it was overgraded in its existing grade, but would've been a hell of a card in lower grade. They saw the flaw, regraded it properly, and reimbursed me for the difference. Very fair and swift process. >>
Interesting information. I assumed he sent it back to make sure they agreed that the holder was legit. >>
exactly.