My newly acquired Feuchtwanger from a fellow member (on BST)

mercurydimeguy

Very pretty in hand, the coin is naturally photogenic. These were literally on the quick, snap, snap, crop, post... Currently sits in NGC plastic but I will cross it for my PCGS set.

Thanks to comma (board member).

LanLord

That's a good looking one.
I really like those.

AngryTurtle

Yes, its a nice one! (Nicer than mine!)

morgansforever

I recall seeing that one on the BST, nice example and wonderful imaging

TPRC

Very wholesome looking piece...that weakness on the feathers is just that...weakness, and as these go, it is a pretty good strike. Not sure of grade, but it sure looks like a 4 or 5 to me from the photo. Common variety. Nice pick-up

RKKay

Nice!

lordmarcovan

FFF

(= Freakin' Fantastic Feuchtwanger!)

ambro51

That's a nice 6I with a genuine old patina. Back in the day these were called "Silver Pennies". It seems a great quantity of 6Is exist in UNC. I don't think we should take the date "1837" as word of law here... There are those who suggest part of his coinage took place during the CWT era. Indeed the 3 cent Eagle pattern was dated 1864 and submitted to Congress in 1865. The only fly in the ointment here trying to attach the 6i to the 1860s is that this obverse is also used on the archaicly denominated 12 1/2 cent RE Russell token. These are mostly found well circulated, an unlikely occurrence if the 6I die was created during the cwt era.

johnny9434

nice pick up

BG

Like that one!

SeattleSlammer

Very nice example!

mercurydimeguy

Well, it's been a few months but now this coin is in PCGS plastic. I also re-imaged it with a bit more care, to get the colors/brightness right. A coin in NGC plastic photographs differently than PCGS...the new image is extremely close to look in hand.

First submission to PCGS it DNC (what???) Sent to CAC in NGC holder, got the green bean.

Sent back to PCGS, crossed at grade (on the second submission). Oh the trouble or stupidity that we (who collect only PCGS plastic) go through when we build our collections

Broadstruck

Nice but I'm still trying to see the rainbow tone this was to have in the BST description?

Zoins

<< <i>That's a nice 6I with a genuine old patina. Back in the day these were called "Silver Pennies". It seems a great quantity of 6Is exist in UNC. I don't think we should take the date "1837" as word of law here... There are those who suggest part of his coinage took place during the CWT era. Indeed the 3 cent Eagle pattern was dated 1864 and submitted to Congress in 1865. The only fly in the ointment here trying to attach the 6i to the 1860s is that this obverse is also used on the archaicly denominated 12 1/2 cent RE Russell token. These are mostly found well circulated, an unlikely occurrence if the 6I die was created during the cwt era. >>



Good information. Is there a working theory on when the 6I die was created?

Nice coin BTW!

MidLifeCrisis

Nice!

Broadstruck

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<< <i>That's a nice 6I with a genuine old patina. Back in the day these were called "Silver Pennies". It seems a great quantity of 6Is exist in UNC. I don't think we should take the date "1837" as word of law here... There are those who suggest part of his coinage took place during the CWT era. Indeed the 3 cent Eagle pattern was dated 1864 and submitted to Congress in 1865. The only fly in the ointment here trying to attach the 6i to the 1860s is that this obverse is also used on the archaicly denominated 12 1/2 cent RE Russell token. These are mostly found well circulated, an unlikely occurrence if the 6I die was created during the cwt era. >>



Good information. Is there a working theory on when the 6I die was created?

Nice coin BTW! >>



Here's ya go Zoins this is something member Kaz and I pondered in the wee morning hours on here via PM a few years ago

As Feuchtwanger advertised to strike store cards for other merchants.



I too feel this may have been a pattern and a small quantity was struck and it's possible that Mr. Russell rejected and aborted ordering others.

Also I was looking at the reverse of the Russell one morning and noticed possible trace remnants of the One Cent reverse design.

Kaz and I were tossing some thoughts around and a while back and came up with the following.

Lewis Feuchtwanger may have poorly ground down an existing 1c reverse die and re-cut it for the die for the 12 1/2c Russell.

You can see some similarities as the 1c die wasn't properly defaced.

I haven't had a chance to run this past QDB to get his thoughts.

AnkurJ

<< <i>Nice but I'm still trying to see the rainbow tone this was to have in the BST description? >>



If every coin bought was judged by you, they would all be cleaned/retoned or incorrectly graded.

Seriously, what point does your comment make other than another attempt at spreading negativity?

Twobitcollector

That's a beauty

morgansforever

You outdid your your first image, the second is a bit darker and looks fantastic. The textured template looks great too.
Oh yeah, nice cent.

TopographicOceans

That definitely is a nice example.
I sold mine a few years ago, because well - you just can't own all the coins.

ambro51

I've voiced this Gripe before...I think PCGS does collectors and researchers a HUGE disservice by NOT designating variety on the label. It's NOT difficult to tell these apart and only 12 varieties. This leads people to think they're all alike. NOT SO!! Find a 1A or 3G in this grade.....5X as valuable

ambro51

.......and you would think with all the PCGS bigwigs now on this forum ONE of them would have the Gumption to address this here and now.

TPRC

Ambro--I always thought you could get the variety designation by paying a variety fee. Is that not the case?

Broadstruck--thank you for pointing that out. I had never noticed or seen that, I now the cents very well, but not the Russells. I assume that the undertype is not present on most Russells. Now I want one with the undertype!

Mercury--I would think that PCGS was troubled with the perceived strike weakenss. This variety does come better struck than some, but it's not wear. The piece looks beautifully original. Obverses 1 and 2 come very weakly struck and the slabbing companies just aren't that experienced or good with these pieces since they don't see that many. Congrats.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Ambro--I always thought you could get the variety designation by paying a variety fee. Is that not the case?

Broadstruck--thank you for pointing that out. I had never noticed or seen that, I now the cents very well, but not the Russells. I assume that the undertype is not present on most Russells. Now I want one with the undertype!

Mercury--I would think that PCGS was troubled with the perceived strike weakenss. This variety does come better struck than some, but it's not wear. The piece looks beautifully original. Obverses 1 and 2 come very weakly struck and the slabbing companies just aren't that experienced or good with these pieces since they don't see that many. Congrats. >>



TPRC, I don't believe I've ever seen a PCGS graded example with variety designation? As far as the R.E. Russell's the underlying evidence is seen on all examples to some degree as I've also still seen it on environmentally damaged surfaces.

Mercurydimeguy, I meant no disrespect to wanting to see the rainbow, as German Silver is pretty inert to taking on any vivid colors. The typical golden brown streaky toning seen on these is the all the color you usually see. There are far more originally toned examples such as yours housed in NGC slabs compared to brighter examples more so encountered in PCGS slabs with a few exceptions. Although many like to believe that when a rarely seen rainbow example is encountered that it was stored long term in a leather purse it is quite unlikely. PCI was grading these well before any of the other TPG's and the slab label in their holders would tone German Silver all shades of the rainbow far better then any other storage method.

mercurydimeguy

Hey gang, all is good. I had no idea this was going to elicit the kind of input that it has received, I learned a lot about the coin, the issuer, and a lot of other things I didn't know before. A lot of you guys are real numismatists with encyclopedic knowledge of certain topics. This coin was bought for my numismatic curiosities showcase/set, as I always thought they were kind of cool. My problem was not finding one, they are readily available, it was finding one that had really nice eye appeal that someone was willing to sell Low and behold one was available on the BST and it fit the bill, other than that it was in the wrong flavor plastic and no green badge of honor

Now that it's in the blue and clear plastic, and also adoring it's rightful green badge, it can join the rest of my blue and clear plastic in my numismatic curiosities showcase, which all have the same badge of pride

ambro51

If you'd like to continue reading on the Feuchtwanger issues, get QDB's "More Adventures with Rare Coins" ( make sure it's the "more"). He has a long chapter on them and when I asked him a few years ago if he ever intended to expand on it to book length he said that everything he had was already in that book and didn't feel he could add to it. Mr. Bowers by the way unless he has sold it, owns the unique 7J, which is struck in real silver from slightly different dies. I'm not sure it has been imaged, at least I've never seen it. Broadstruck is correct that German Silver is a mostly non reactive metal. One day I had the pleasure to see a WW2 vets proud collection of beer steins... Not a rainbow toned lid amongst them (hundreds). I do have a 5G with extraordinary color....but won't vouch for it AT or NT.