Beckett Grading services Jordan Rookie

72skywalker

I just had a Michael Jordan rookie graded by Beckett because the rep was at our local card shop so we did not have to mail them out to the company. The grade came back and it is an 8. My question is what is the difference between BGS and BCCG? I sent it out to Beckett Grading Services so I assume that it will come back BGS. Is one better than another and what would a BGS 8 grade out with PSA? Thanks.

mrmint23

BGS is FAR superior to BCCG. Do a search on Net54 and it will explain.

slum22

I hope you got BGS and not BCCG. A BGS 8 is largely comparable to a PSA 8 while a BCCG 8 I likely comparable to a PSA 5 or 6, so pretty big difference. Depending on the subgrades a BGS 8 will usually sell at a discount relative to PSA for this card. The exception would be if you are .5 away from the next grade level. BGS uses .5 grades much more frequently than PSA. In order to achieve a grade a card must have 3 subgrades equal to or greater than the overall grade and the overall grade is limited by the lowest subgrade. The overall grade can generally only be .5 a grade higher than the worst subgrade. For instance all of these subgrades would equal an overall grade of 8:

7.5 8 8 8
8 8 8 8
8 8 8 8.5
8 8 8.5 8.5
7.5 8 9.5 9.5
8 8 9.5 9.5

So you could see there is a wide range of 8's. The subgrades are centering, corners, edges and surface and everyone had their own opinion which is the most important subgrade (the present favorite is probably centering).

72skywalker

What kept it from a nine has to be the one soft corner on the card. Otherwise it looked perfect. I do not have the card back yet but I should have it by Thursday according to the tracking they provided. I knew it was not a fake buti am just happy that it came back legit and with no alterations.

LarkinCollector

FWIW, if you put 'Jordan RC' in the thread title I would bet on there being at least 5x the number of responses in this time period Nothing more to add, solid advice from previous posters. Congrats on a huge card!

ETA: Link to prior BCCG discussion

72skywalker

<< <i>FWIW, if you put 'Jordan RC' in the thread title I would bet on there being at least 5x the number of responses in this time period Nothing more to add, solid advice from previous posters. Congrats on a huge card! >>



thanks, advice taken

ThoseBackPages

All MJ RCs are Good! Well done!

mtcards

BCCG is garbage. Thats not to say that the cards within are, but simply put, its a way for someone who has a card that has a 9 of a modern card to make a little more money by having it in a "10" holder because novice collectors equate 10 with perfect. I have to laugh at how many times I see a BCCG 10 sell for double what a PSA 9 sells for because of the number

bounce

<< <i>In order to achieve a grade a card must have 3 subgrades equal to or greater than the overall grade and the overall grade is limited by the lowest subgrade. >>



This isn't exactly accurate. I agree that a card must have 3 subgrades equal to or greater than the overall grade. In addition, the overall rating of a card generally can be no better than .5 higher than the lowest subgrade, however...

I'm pretty sure there's a "weighting" of the subgrades as well that can impact overall card grade. Here's a picture of an MJ I had previously with a low subgrade of 6, but an overall 7.

I'm not 100% certain because I haven't seen it happen that frequently, but I'm pretty sure centering and corners are the highest weighting of the subs, with edges next and surface last. I've never actually seen this weighting specifically discussed or confirmed, but have seen some references to it before in a couple different places and it obviously impacted this card.

bounce

One more thing on the topic of BCCG, while I agree the grades really don't equate (although I have known of instances where cards actually did cross grades - ignore the grade and just assess the card), a card that makes it into a BCCG holder can be pretty well relied upon to be an authentic card.

I'm not sure if you can assume it's not been altered (cut, trimmed, spooned, whatever), but you can assume it's authentic (i.e. not a reprint).

slum22

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<< <i>In order to achieve a grade a card must have 3 subgrades equal to or greater than the overall grade and the overall grade is limited by the lowest subgrade. >>



This isn't exactly accurate. I agree that a card must have 3 subgrades equal to or greater than the overall grade. In addition, the overall rating of a card generally can be no better than .5 higher than the lowest subgrade, however...

I'm pretty sure there's a "weighting" of the subgrades as well that can impact overall card grade. Here's a picture of an MJ I had previously with a low subgrade of 6, but an overall 7.

I'm not 100% certain because I haven't seen it happen that frequently, but I'm pretty sure centering and corners are the highest weighting of the subs, with edges next and surface last. I've never actually seen this weighting specifically discussed or confirmed, but have seen some references to it before in a couple different places and it obviously impacted this card.

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Bounce--You are correct that there is the potential to go a full grade above the lowest subgrade. This is why I said "the overall grade can GENERALLY only be a .5 grade higher than the worst subgrade." However, it is not based on a weighting of the subgrades. I don't know the exact rule, but it is something along the lines of when there is one subgrade that is very different than all the other subgrades, like your example, then the overall grade can be raised by a full grade over the worst subgrade. This is definitely the exception as opposed to the rule though. You will see this happen frequently with 1984 Jordan Star cards graded by BGS. Because that card is very often very off centered, you will see otherwise sharp cards with horrible center subgrades and strong subgrades in corners, edges and surface get an overall grade bumped 1 full grade over the low centering subgrade.

I could be wrong, but I believe the threshold is that all three other subgrades must be 2 levels higher than the lowest subgrade for the full grade over low subgrade bump to occur.

bounce

interesting. let me see if i can find the references to the subgrade weighting, because i've seen it a couple different places before which seemed to give it some credence.

not sure where i saw it before, but i'll post a link if i can find it.

ultimately, full grade bumps to the overall are pretty rare, though. i've probably only seen a dozen or less.

addicted2ebay

I would bet Beckett wishes that they never made Bccg. It's not a bad grading service believe me the grades are are some what accurate, it's just the grading scale that had collectors all confused.

slum22

<< <i>I would bet Beckett wishes that they never made Bccg. It's not a bad grading service believe me the grades are are some what accurate, it's just the grading scale that had collectors all confused. >>



I agree with this statement. BCCG cards look generally as they are graded, it is the crazy scale they use that throws everything off. It's as if BGS, PSA and SGC said we are all going to go with Fahrenheit and BCCG said, nah I want to go Kelvin.