I just upgraded a dime in my Complete Dime Varieties sets...

DIMEMAN

The 1890-S small s from N1 to AU53. It's a 1 0 pop, but the yellow box won't show until tomorrow.

You can use the "All Dimes All Varieties" link in my sig line to view.

Thanks for looking.

WaterSport

I was just wondering if you had found any cherries lately...Nice going.

WS

wondercoin

An example of the collector being rarer than the coin? Do (5) people in the world even care about a circulated small S 1890 dime?

Is this the type of response you like to read about your coins, as I know you are trying to be equally frank when you constantly respond (negatively) to each and every modern coin thread on this board.

Just my 2 cents.

Wondercoin.

oih82w8

...you can add me to those who can appreciate coin varieties such as the "small S".

Quite an upgrade!

DIMEMAN

>>>An example of the collector being rarer than the coin? Do (5) people in the world even care about a circulated small S 1890 dime? <<<

Yes, I think there are a lot more collectors interested in real collector coins coined in small amounts 125 years ago......than modern junk made by the billions yesterday!

wondercoin

Dimeman ... did you know that the Mint produces less business strike "S" mint National Park quarters these days (for several years now) than even 1835 quarters minted 180 years ago!? In fact, about 1/3 fewer coins. The only difference is the "S" mint quarter costs about 35 cents (for now).

I didn't think you knew that as you lump together all "modern junk" in the same category and quote your same "billions" mintage figure repeatedly (quite often on other collectors' threads here).

Wondercoin

oih82w8

If the mint would go back to some designs of yesteryear there may be more interest in the circulating coinage of today.

Next year the Dime & Quarter will have a commemorative 1916-2016 in precious metals (gold, I believe), it would be wonderful if we could have such artistry in our circulating coins.

I am not a fan of today's designs though.

Keep the varieties coming DIMEMAN!

DIMEMAN

Sorry, but I will take the Bust Quarters over the "National Park" Quarters any day!

The modern designs are just.....................................let's say not........you know......at the risk of getting in trouble I can't describe modern coin designs.

roadrunner

The kicker is that the survival rate on bust quarters is approx 1/2%-2% depending on date. Survival rate on NP quarters? So far running around 99.9%.

wondercoin

RR ... Understood ...

The survival rate on the 1835 quarters let's say is 25,000 - 50,000 total coins (1%-2%).

And, so far the grade through rate on PCGS-MS68 specimens of the national park quarters is maybe about 1/2 of 1% of the tens (and tens) of thousands of coins pre-screened (1-2 specimens on a number of them after a few years of hunting). So, with respect to the National Parks, MS67 specimens are already selling now for upwards of $125/coin (very tough to locate) and some MS68 specimens are one or two thousand dollars if you can even find one to buy at any price.

We may be talking "apples and oranges", but the collectors' appetite for each is quite strong right now!

As always, just my 2 cents.

Wondercoin

DIMEMAN

>>>And, so far the grade through rate on PCGS-MS68 specimens of the national park quarters is maybe about 1/2 of 1% of the tens (and tens) of thousands of coins pre-screened (1-2 specimens on a number of them after a few years of hunting). So, with respect to the National Parks, MS67 specimens are already selling now for upwards of $125/coin (very tough to locate) and some MS68 specimens are one or two thousand dollars if you can even find one to buy at any price. <<<

Talk about who cares! I picked the highest priced 68....the Grand Canyon D mint.....it's $2500 in 68....$32 in 67......$3 in 66.....65 you can find in change!!!! Most people who collect these pull them from change and push in a holder. The only people who care about a 68 are Registry people. Take away the Registry and what would those 67-68's be worth.....nothing! And how much difference is there between a 65 which is "GEM" and a 68......VERY LITTLE!

Take away the Registry and the classic coins values stay the same.......they had value before the Registry or TPG ever existed.

wondercoin

"And how much difference is there between a 65 which is "GEM" and a 68......VERY LITTLE!"

With all due respect, this is where your ignorance of moderns comes shining through.


Wondercoin

DIMEMAN

>>>With all due respect, this is where your ignorance of moderns comes shining through.<<<

So you are saying they grade moderns differently than other coins! Because if they don't......there is not that much difference between a 65 and a 68.

valente151

<< <i>>>>With all due respect, this is where your ignorance of moderns comes shining through.<<<

So you are saying they grade moderns differently than other coins! Because if they don't......there is not that much difference between a 65 and a 68. >>



I've read a lot of insane things on this forum, but this may take the cake. You're either looking at SEVERELY under graded 65s, over graded 68s or at not enough coins to know the difference. Please take some time at the next show you are at to look at more coins in the gem to superb gem grades, whether they be moderns or classics. I mean this respectfully and not to be insulting.

wondercoin

"So you are saying they grade moderns differently than other coins! Because if they don't......there is not that much difference between a 65 and a 68."

Dimeman ... I just want to see you be consistent with your analysis. If you are saying there is not much difference between an MS65 and an MS68 (classic or modern), then why is a reasonably common dime such as an 1860 worth around $1,250 - $1,500 in MS65, but $18,000 - $20,000++ in MS68? And, why do I never see you attacking the buyers of the $20,000 fairly common Seated Dimes that are worth as little as 5 cents on the dollar in lesser grade of gem MS65? You see, if you were consistent with your position, I would personally give it more weight. But, to constantly argue that the $6 MS65 quarter is foolish to buy in pop 1 MS68 at $1,000 or more, BUT, it is OK to pay $20,000++ for an 1860 dime in a higher grade of gem UNC is disingenuous at best.

Wondercoin

roadrunner

The difference between a MS65 and a MS68 seated quarter is monumental wrt the state of preservation. The same comment is probably nearly identical for 1932-2015 quarters as well.

RCDB

I wish I had your passion, guys. Misdirected as it may be, it is still a passion.

DIMEMAN

In the first place I am not attacking buyers of top pop moderns and in the second place I would not pay the 20K you mentioned for the 1860 in 68 either. But there is a difference between the to 2 cases you are stating. 1860 was 155 years ago. There were not as many minted and there are not near as many left. Also, the difference is that on moderns each grade you drop down has a huge plus in pop.

I had no interest in the Pogue sale. Why? I wouldn't want a 1796 quarter in 67. I would rather have a set of Bust Quarters in VF-XF and have money left. A coin minted 219 years ago should not look brand new.

I'm saying why pay thousands for a 68 when you can get a 66 which is choice gem, for 25 bucks!!!??? And they were just made!!!

wondercoin

A non-board member in reading this had this to say to me today....

"I am both a dealer in modern and traditionals and have been at for more than 50 years. Now, take an 1840 No Drapery Dime with a mintage of 981,500 and in MS60 it sells for about $400, MS65 $3,150 and $14,500 for an MS67 (pop 2). Now, let's discuss the 2015-S Homestead National Park quarter. The mintage is about 972,000 (same as this 1840 dime). The population of the US in 1840 was about 25,000,000 and now it is about 335,000,000 (about 12x greater). Thus far, there have been -0- Homestead 'S mint" quarters achieving the MS68 grade. If one was made, it would sell for at least $2,000 - $2,500 and would be worth nearly 2/3 the price of the gem 1840 dime, in not 175 years but about a dozen weeks. I have a handful of customers that would buy the MS68 National Park quarter from me in a heartbeat. No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)."

Wondercoin

MACGE1

<< <i>A non-board member in reading this had this to say to me today....

"I am both a dealer in modern and traditionals and have been at for more than 50 years. Now, take an 1840 No Drapery Dime with a mintage of 981,500 and in MS60 it sells for about $400, MS65 $3,150 and $14,500 for an MS67 (pop 2). Now, let's discuss the 2015-S Homestead National Park quarter. The mintage is about 972,000 (same as this 1840 dime). The population of the US in 1840 was about 25,000,000 and now it is about 335,000,000 (about 12x greater). Thus far, there have been -0- Homestead 'S mint" quarters achieving the MS68 grade. If one was made, it would sell for at least $2,000 - $2,500 and would be worth nearly 2/3 the price of the gem 1840 dime, in not 175 years but about a dozen weeks. I have a handful of customers that would buy the MS68 National Park quarter from me in a heartbeat. No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)."

Wondercoin >>



With all due respect to seated dimes, I for one never buy one. However I would buy as many homestead quarters in ms68 for $2,000 as you can get.

wondercoin

"However I would buy as many homestead quarters in ms68 for $2,000 as you can get."

I understand. And, if I personally slabbed one tomorrow, it would go into my 1932-date quarter set to be sold (hopefully) no less than 18 years from now. If I made (2), I would probably keep the second until it was (hopefully) worth around $5,000. The third one, I might consider selling off now

Wondercoin

DIMEMAN

>>>"I am both a dealer in modern and traditionals and have been at for more than 50 years. Now, take an 1840 No Drapery Dime with a mintage of 981,500 and in MS60 it sells for about $400, MS65 $3,150 and $14,500 for an MS67 (pop 2). Now, let's discuss the 2015-S Homestead National Park quarter. The mintage is about 972,000 (same as this 1840 dime). The population of the US in 1840 was about 25,000,000 and now it is about 335,000,000 (about 12x greater). Thus far, there have been -0- Homestead 'S mint" quarters achieving the MS68 grade. If one was made, it would sell for at least $2,000 - $2,500 and would be worth nearly 2/3 the price of the gem 1840 dime, in not 175 years but about a dozen weeks. I have a handful of customers that would buy the MS68 National Park quarter from me in a heartbeat. No one has asked me about an 1840 Dime in MS65 this century (yet)."<<<

All this proves is that all the collectors doing the Seated Dimes in Gem have theirs and the quarters made yesterday are still needed by the top pop Registry guys!

wondercoin

"All this proves is that all the collectors doing the Seated Dimes in Gem have theirs and the quarters made yesterday are still needed by the top pop Registry guys!"

Dimeman: Well you finally proved my post. I started all this (in response to your constant attacks on other modern collectors' threads) by saying that there were perhaps a "handful" of collectors out there that would care about your minor variety upgrade. You ended it by saying that "all the collectors doing the Seated Dime in Gem have theirs". Did you know the pop is 6!!!!


Wondercoin

DIMEMAN

>>>I've read a lot of insane things on this forum, but this may take the cake. You're either looking at SEVERELY under graded 65s, over graded 68s or at not enough coins to know the difference. Please take some time at the next show you are at to look at more coins in the gem to superb gem grades, whether they be moderns or classics. I mean this respectfully and not to be insulting. <<<

Of course there is a difference. The key word was "much" difference. 65-68 are all gem's to suburb gem's. It's the amount of tick's allowed and there aren't that many on a true gem.

DIMEMAN

>>>Dimeman: Well you finally proved my post. I started all this (in response to your constant attacks on other modern collectors' threads) by saying that there were perhaps a "handful" of collectors out there that would care about your minor variety upgrade. You ended it by saying that "all the collectors doing the Seated Dime in Gem have theirs". Did you know the pop is 6!!!! <<<

Sorry WC, that doesn't prove anything either. There are 62 in all Unc grades and that is just PCGS I'm sure there are others in other holders plus the raw ones.

That proves nothing................. and how many people can afford to collect Seated Dimes in Unc.

wondercoin

"There are 62 in all Unc grade"

Don't go changing things now .... we were discussing the GEM grade coins.

Wondercoin

yosclimber

Cool variety. Small s far left - so it's Fortin # 108 or 108a?
http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1890svarpage.htm

halfhunter

Interesting, thought provoking thread . . .

HH

DIMEMAN

It's the F-108.

coinkat

Congrats in connection with the upgrade...

However, it seems that the discussion and comparison of the 1840 no drapery Dime and a modern quarter with a similar mintage is just not viable nor serving a purpose.

bidask

<< <i>"And how much difference is there between a 65 which is "GEM" and a 68......VERY LITTLE!"

With all due respect, this is where your ignorance of moderns comes shining through.


Wondercoin >>

Didn't QDB in one of his books or articles say that it is wise to get a 65 or 66 vs a 68 when it comes to modern coins?

Overdate

I have the lowest graded one, maybe I should start a lowball variety set!

DIMEMAN

Overdate - Yours is the centered small s....I have that one also.

cladking

<< <i>

<< <i>"And how much difference is there between a 65 which is "GEM" and a 68......VERY LITTLE!"

With all due respect, this is where your ignorance of moderns comes shining through.


Wondercoin >>

Didn't QDB in one of his books or articles say that it is wise to get a 65 or 66 vs a 68 when it comes to modern coins? >>



Bowers used to do a lot of modern bashing. He once said you could fill a freight car
with all the MS-70 states quarters made (and this was in the year '00!!!)! I haven't
seen that he's made such statements recently.

DIMEMAN

They were all MS70 to start with.

MFH

<< <i>They were all MS70 to start with. >>



Wern't we all.

I'm about a VF25 right about now...

I think what gets Dimeman's goat is that
he wasn't born in a Modern Coin era.

He was born when they were still striking
Walking Liberty Halves, as I was !!

He's old and still resentful he wasn't born
when Seated Coinage was still being minted !

So lighten up...he's just set in his ways. Remember:
You can't teach an Old Dog new tricks !
I should talk.....

Edit: Just read the post after mine.

I'd say - all kidding aside as Dimeman and I go back a few years -
Your last comment about not paying above face for half his coins:

Stooge

I have never understood what the sole purpose is to come onto this forum and say "Hey look at my new upgrade to my set" every single time that collector adds 1 single coin to their set. Its like when someone donates at Christmas time and then they say "Hey look at me, I donated $2.00 to the red bucket at the local grocery store."

Dimeman, your head is thick and I feel for Wondercoin, because every time he said something (which I agreed with also) you found some way to shoot it down with just a pile of jiber-jaber. He has probably forgotten more about coins, then most people (Collectors) will ever know.

To be a true collector and a lover of all that is numismatics, is to embrace ALL coins. There are tons of foreign coins for instance that I think are truly spectacular and mindblowing. I would never collect them, as I love to collect United States coins. Now here is the thing...I don't go around blasting them and others threads.

As far as modern, I have to agree again with Wondercoin...there are truly some that are extremely difficult to find. I searched several green boxes of Roosevelt dimes (2,500 dimes per box) and made just 1 single MS68FB. I bet I have looked at over 20,000+ Roosies and just 1 single dime was given that 8FB grade I was attempting to get.

For what its worth, I think you have a nice collection of Dimes. You should have never traded off your 1796 green holder dime but that is your choice. With that said, I wouldn't give you face value for over half of your dimes.

DIMEMAN

>>>With that said, I wouldn't give you face value for over half of your dimes.<<<

Paul - Don't worry none of my dimes are for sale for face value.......not even the Roosies.

And I just won't pay thousands for a 68 when you can get a 67 for a few bucks! That's just me (and millions of others).

The trouble with top pop moderns is.......you never know where a bunch more may be laying around somewhere.

yosclimber

<< <i>I have never understood what the sole purpose is to come onto this forum and say "Hey look at my new upgrade to my set" every single time that collector adds 1 single coin to their set. >>


The purpose is simple: to let interested folks look at someone else's process of adding to their collection.
Same as "show and tell" at your local coin club meeting.



<< <i>To be a true collector and a lover of all that is numismatics, is to embrace ALL coins. .... I don't go around blasting them and others threads. >>




<< <i>... I wouldn't give you face value for over half of your dimes. >>


Looks like blasting to me? Negativity is often ineffective, which is why it's discouraged in the rules of this forum.

Stooge

<< <i>

<< <i>I have never understood what the sole purpose is to come onto this forum and say "Hey look at my new upgrade to my set" every single time that collector adds 1 single coin to their set. >>


The purpose is simple: to let interested folks look at someone else's process of adding to their collection.
Same as "show and tell" at your local coin club meeting.



<< <i>To be a true collector and a lover of all that is numismatics, is to embrace ALL coins. .... I don't go around blasting them and others threads. >>




<< <i>... I wouldn't give you face value for over half of your dimes. >>


Looks like blasting to me? Negativity is often ineffective, which is why it's discouraged in the rules of this forum. >>

Yes you are exactly right, it is blasting when I said I don't do that. I felt that it was needed to make a point, that not everyone (Myself) may not want his dimes. I honestly do not care what Dimeman puts in his sets. Their his sets and I'm not hip on them. I wanted him to know that.

If he was truly attempting to build a "World class" collections of dimes, he would care about his modern dimes and not add an MS66FB that costs less then grading fees to acquire. If he truly hates all modern coins, then he should ask PCGS to add a 1796-1946 set.

DIMEMAN

>>>If he was truly attempting to build a "World class" collections of dimes, he would care about his modern dimes and not add an MS66FB that costs less then grading fees to acquire.<<<

WOW - I'm sorry that my lowly 66FB's offend you! Why would I want to spend thousands more for a coin that is little if any better????

Wabbit2313

<< <i>He has probably forgotten more about coins, then most people (Collectors) will ever know. >>




So that means "Everyone" knows more than he does right? Poor guy lost his mind!

oih82w8

I enjoy seeing your dime varieties.

Continued success!

DIMEMAN

Gotta luv the Wabbit!

Stooge

<< <i>>>>If he was truly attempting to build a "World class" collections of dimes, he would care about his modern dimes and not add an MS66FB that costs less then grading fees to acquire.<<<

WOW - I'm sorry that my lowly 66FB's offend you! Why would I want to spend thousands more for a coin that is little if any better???? >>

Simply because Dimeman, you made need to sell your collection off just like everyone else, and if you collect for the shear enjoyment, that's great, but if I spend a couple $100 extra for a grade up or 2, in 10-15 years when I sell those coins they may be worth more if no other coins are made in those grades.

DIMEMAN

>>>Simply because Dimeman, you made need to sell your collection off just like everyone else, and if you collect for the shear enjoyment, that's great, but if I spend a couple $100 extra for a grade up or 2, in 10-15 years when I sell those coins they may be worth more if no other coins are made in those grades. <<<

Paul - Good luck finding 68FB's for a couple hundred extra. They haven't crashed that far........YET! You need to go reread the thread on the Roosies top pop market on the Registry Forum.

As far as investment goes......of all my dimes......the Roosies are the worst by far. But I am collecting for enjoyment of completion, which means including Roosies. Some of the toughest dime varieties to find are the Roosies. They are my least favorite, but I like them too.

Sometimes I get lucky and find a variety in 67FB and sometimes I have to settle for a AU or XF until I find a better one. It's all in the thrill of the hunt.

Stooge

<< <i>Paul - Good luck finding 68FB's for a couple hundred extra. They haven't crashed that far........YET! You need to go reread the thread on the Roosies top pop market on the Registry Forum. >>

2015-D PCGS MS68FB Other than Nick, I would consider myself one of the most knowledgeable clad Roosevelt dime collectors around.



<< <i>As far as investment goes......of all my dimes......the Roosies are the worst by far. But I am collecting for enjoyment of completion, which means including Roosies. Some of the toughest dime varieties to find are the Roosies. They are my least favorite, but I like them too.

Sometimes I get lucky and find a variety in 67FB and sometimes I have to settle for a AU or XF until I find a better one. It's all in the thrill of the hunt. >>

This is your best response yet. I agree with all 100% of this comment.

DIMEMAN

I have no idea how much the 201568FB is....link doesn't work. I have noticed that the prices on 2015 dimes is cheaper this year than past years.

The moon money is the silver Roosies in 68FB. They are nice, but in doing the whole dime set from 1796 to date I can't go big money on Roosies.

Nick is building a world class set of Roosies, but that is his main focus and is doable in high grade.

yosclimber

Corrected link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-D-Roosevelt-10c-PCGS-MS68FB-/221787709704
sold for $91

DIMEMAN

I'll probably get the 2015 P&D set in 66FB for 25 bucks to fill this year in.......that's just me.