question about psa 10's..
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on the cards that have numerous 10's, should or do the ones that are more perfectly centered sell for more or should they sell for more? will the more centered bring more money or could they?
or does the centering only bring premiums for 8's and 9's?
or does the centering only bring premiums for 8's and 9's?
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I really think I would be a lot further along with my set if I just bought the first card that came along, but centering to me is important and I will always pay more. I've seen early 80's PSA 10's that I've bidded on go higher lately. I don't know if other collectors share my centering sentiments, or if it was schilling, etc, but when a very nice centered card comes along in an auction format lately, I always seem to be paying more.
Hope this helps.
Jimmy
When this happens though, for sub 10 cards, it sometimes pushes up the perceived value of cards that are technically graded higher.
<< <i>Yes, generally speaking, a perfectly centered card will sell for more than a similarly graded example.
When this happens though, for sub 10 cards, it sometimes pushes up the perceived value of cards that are technically graded higher. >>
Lately I've seen some incredible premiums paid for nicely centered examples. Gibson rookie PSA 7 $790 (VCP avg $580), 54 Bowman Mantle PSA 6 $ whopping $1526 (avg price $866) 63 Mantle PSA 7 $910 (avg price $566) Some big prices for centered 6 and 7's also
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When this happens though, for sub 10 cards, it sometimes pushes up the perceived value of cards that are technically graded higher. >>
Lately I've seen some incredible premiums paid for nicely centered examples. Gibson rookie PSA 7 $790 (VCP avg $580), 54 Bowman Mantle PSA 6 $ whopping $1526 (avg price $866) 63 Mantle PSA 7 $910 (avg price $566) Some big prices for centered 6 and 7's also >>
There is definitely a premium for centered 9's and below, but does it matter to collectors much if it's 50/50 or 60/40 if its a 10?
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<< <i>Yes, generally speaking, a perfectly centered card will sell for more than a similarly graded example.
When this happens though, for sub 10 cards, it sometimes pushes up the perceived value of cards that are technically graded higher. >>
Lately I've seen some incredible premiums paid for nicely centered examples. Gibson rookie PSA 7 $790 (VCP avg $580), 54 Bowman Mantle PSA 6 $ whopping $1526 (avg price $866) 63 Mantle PSA 7 $910 (avg price $566) Some big prices for centered 6 and 7's also >>
There is definitely a premium for centered 9's and below, but does it matter to collectors much if it's 50/50 or 60/40 if its a 10? >>
<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time.
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
I think you made that very clear in the Winfield post.
<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Yes 50/50 centering all around can make a tough PSA 10, especially of a HOFer go absolutely nuclear.
I saw a perfectly centered 1978 Nolan Ryan Pop 2 PSA 10 sell for almost $18K recently.
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy.
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
<< <i>There is no such thing as a badly centered 10. >>
here are two i located rather quickly. these two are not as centered as they could/should be. should they sell the same as other psa 10's with near perfect centering. this is mainly an issue for 1981 and up.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-84-Fleer-Update-Baseball-Kirby-Puckett-Rookie-Card-PSA-10-/161738328236?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a85b08ac
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Topps-USA-Baseball-Mark-McGwire-ROOKIE-RC-401-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC-/141625420197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f98869a5
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe Dan was being facetious, olb. >>
yeah you may be right. not getting much feedback. on the two examples i listed above should sell for quite a bit less than a completly centered one, but there doesn't seem to be any difference in closing prices. will this be the new big explosion like the centered 8's and 9's currently are?
<< <i>I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe Dan was being facetious, olb. >>
Sorry Tim, wrong limb. I would be satisfied paying 10 prices for either one of those.
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
Then if you don't care about the 10 on the label why are you subbing the 9's in hope of getting a 10?
Because at the end of the day you want the 10!
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
Then if you don't care about the 10 on the label why are you subbing the 9's in hope of getting a 10?
Because at the end of the day you want the 10! >>
Actually, people like you want the 10, so why not get them to market and cash in?
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
Then if you don't care about the 10 on the label why are you subbing the 9's in hope of getting a 10?
Because at the end of the day you want the 10! >>
Actually, people like you want the 10, so why not get them to market and cash in? >>
I'm proud to say I own some 10's and enjoy them since it's a hobby. I also know they have been proven to be good investments. I'm not surprised if you told me you didn't own any 10's as you are hoarding the 9's in hopes of bumping them to a 10.
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
Then if you don't care about the 10 on the label why are you subbing the 9's in hope of getting a 10?
Because at the end of the day you want the 10! >>
Actually, people like you want the 10, so why not get them to market and cash in? >>
I'm proud to say I own some 10's and enjoy them since it's a hobby. I also know they have been proven to be good investments. I'm not surprised if you told me you didn't own any 10's as you are hoarding the 9's in hopes of bumping them to a 10. >>
I have already told you I cross 9's to 10's when possible, and have done so for about 15 years. So how could it be possible for me to not own any 10's?
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<< <i>after looking around at some of the psa 01's that have been selling, I am trying to resurrect this thread. will there ever be a premium paid for a psa 10 that is centered nearly 50/50 versus one that is not? or does a psa 10 say it all? >>
Soft 10's don't draw my interest at all, and I will pass every single time. >>
Do you even own any 10's?
Sounds like you are a primarily 9 guy. >>
A trained eye can turn 9's in to 10's on a regular basis upon re-subbing. And you don't have to sink insane amounts of money in to obtaining them either.
Then if you don't care about the 10 on the label why are you subbing the 9's in hope of getting a 10?
Because at the end of the day you want the 10! >>
Actually, people like you want the 10, so why not get them to market and cash in? >>
I'm proud to say I own some 10's and enjoy them since it's a hobby. I also know they have been proven to be good investments. I'm not surprised if you told me you didn't own any 10's as you are hoarding the 9's in hopes of bumping them to a 10. >>
I have already told you I cross 9's to 10's when possible, and have done so for about 15 years. So how could it be possible for me to not own any 10's? >>
Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and you are not a collector who is passionate about the eye appeal of the card and not the holder as you made it sound like.
<< <i>Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and not a collector who is passionate about the card and holder as you made it sound like. >>
Nope, you couldn't be any further off base with your assumptions.
A collector can and does buy and sell to help build their personal collection.
I keep the highest quality copy of a card I can find(graded or not graded), and let the rest go to guys like you who enjoy that 10 on the holder more than what the actual card looks like.
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<< <i>Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and not a collector who is passionate about the card and holder as you made it sound like. >>
Nope, you couldn't be any further off base with your assumptions.
A collector can and does buy and sell to help build their personal collection.
I keep the highest quality copy of a card I can find(graded or not graded), and let the rest go to guys like you who enjoy that 10 on the holder more than what the actual card looks like. >>
Got it! In other words you are a dealer who is looking to get a profit on the rare case when your card bumps from a 9 to 10. Then you use that profit to get your strong 9's again in hopes of getting the rare bump.
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<< <i>Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and not a collector who is passionate about the card and holder as you made it sound like. >>
Nope, you couldn't be any further off base with your assumptions.
A collector can and does buy and sell to help build their personal collection.
I keep the highest quality copy of a card I can find(graded or not graded), and let the rest go to guys like you who enjoy that 10 on the holder more than what the actual card looks like. >>
Got it! In other words you are a dealer who is looking to get a profit on the rare case when your card bumps from a 9 to 10. Then you use that profit to get your strong 9's again in hopes of getting the rare bump. >>
It's not all that rare to bump a 9 to a 10 if you know what qualities to look for on each specific card you plan to submit.
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<< <i>Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and not a collector who is passionate about the card and holder as you made it sound like. >>
Nope, you couldn't be any further off base with your assumptions.
A collector can and does buy and sell to help build their personal collection.
I keep the highest quality copy of a card I can find(graded or not graded), and let the rest go to guys like you who enjoy that 10 on the holder more than what the actual card looks like. >>
Got it! In other words you are a dealer who is looking to get a profit on the rare case when your card bumps from a 9 to 10. Then you use that profit to get your strong 9's again in hopes of getting the rare bump. >>
It's not all that rare to bump a 9 to a 10 if you know what qualities to look for on each specific card you plan to submit. >>
PSA graders know what they are doing. There is a reason it was given a 9 in the first place such as surface imperfection or corner or edge wear.
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<< <i>Oh didn't know you succeeded in crossing them to 10's, must be an extremely low percentage though. But why do you care about crossing cards to 10's if you don't care about the holder?
Because you are in this to make money and not a collector who is passionate about the card and holder as you made it sound like. >>
Nope, you couldn't be any further off base with your assumptions.
A collector can and does buy and sell to help build their personal collection.
I keep the highest quality copy of a card I can find(graded or not graded), and let the rest go to guys like you who enjoy that 10 on the holder more than what the actual card looks like. >>
Got it! In other words you are a dealer who is looking to get a profit on the rare case when your card bumps from a 9 to 10. Then you use that profit to get your strong 9's again in hopes of getting the rare bump. >>
It's not all that rare to bump a 9 to a 10 if you know what qualities to look for on each specific card you plan to submit. >>
PSA graders know what they are doing. There is a reason it was given a 9 in the first place such as surface imperfection or corner or edge wear. >>
1. Mistakes and oversights are made in any process.
2. Priorities and standards change over time. It's very possible and definitely true that there are cards that were graded 10 fifteen years ago that would not receive that grade if submitted today. Conversely, there may be some cards that received a 9 in the past that would receive a 10 today, if assessed by the right person. It's not as exact a science as you make it out to be, unfortunately.