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PRIZ430PRIZ430 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
1972 DDO - 104 Looks like it.... I do not see a pimple on the lips....Does show some early rim cuds....Has a bit of muck on it...Do you think our host would be able to remove it???

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not seeing the DDO image

    You could soak that in mineral oil for a few months to lift the green but the rest of the surfaces are doomed.
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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm also in the no camp.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt it's worth the cost of professional conservation at PCGS.

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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    even if it was a 1972 DDO the coin is beyond help

    the surfaces are ruined, nothing short of reminting the coin would help
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Minor DDO, major environmental damage.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a beat up old penny to me. image

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Minor DDO, major environmental damage. >>



    yup
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    This thread is a perfect example of the OP, owning the coin, and downplaying "has a bit of muck on it". And the non owners of the coin commenting that the coin is, in their opinion, ungradable and probably NOT a 1972DD, and certainly NOT the "big one".

    But that's what its all about. Good luck to the OP anyway. Steveimage
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a DDO, but not DDO-001 (the well known one) or DDO-004 (the real 'big one'). It kinda looks like die 7 to me- look for a tiny dot on Lincoln's mouth to confirm (I can't tell from the photos).

    You can also search Coppercoins.com for Philadelphia 1972 doubled dies- they have everything you need to determine what you have.

    Edited to add: I missed the text above the photo. Definitely need better pics of the rim next to 'Liberty' and the reverse.
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  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hold on, thats not what the OP is asking. He wants to know if the cent is DDO #4. In othewords - its worth a lot MORE and than DDO #1 even in this condition.

    First Die 4 is often confused with Die #7, but the easiest way to tell is if the "pimple" between the lips is present. If it is, its die 7.

    Next, compare the rim cuds by Liberty. These start off small and get very large - but keep their pattern.

    and last you need to look for the die scratch on the N on the rev.

    Hope this helps.

    WS

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  • vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭

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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My gut says 7 but need better images to confirm.

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nevermind. Looks like Bob beat me to it. LOL
  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would go ahead and spend it on something nice.

    I know I am probably the only poster on this board who would be just fine with the US stopping production of these virtually worthless but expensive to produce cents. >>




    I'd guess that vplite is NOT short for "very polite"?
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,077 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hold on, thats not what the OP is asking. He wants to know if the cent is DDO #4. >>


    I see. OP needs to clarify and then check diagnostics shown. I don't think it's a match for FS-104, but I still think it has major environmental damage that isn't entirely curable.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    It may be die-4.
    Looks like it has the rim cuds but need a closer pic of that area to verify it.
    Also, many die-4s have a repeating struck through or something below the 2.
    Look for those and the other markers and verify that it doesn't have the lip dot.

    It has problems but if it's die-4 it's a rare find.
    Ed
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are some more images:

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    I've owned a few:

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭
    It does not have the requisite die breaks to the left of Liberty to be "the Big One". (FS-104)
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here are some more images:

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    I've owned a few:

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    You just suck!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Minor DDO, major environmental damage. >>

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,647 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can see it.

    there is a DDO here.

    "big" ? define the big one. The most spread on the letters? the most valuable?


    I'll let the pictures do the talking there.

    shoot lincoln in the mouth.

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I can see it.

    there is a DDO here.

    "big" ? define the big one. The most spread on the letters? the most valuable?


    I'll let the pictures do the talking there.

    shoot lincoln in the mouth. >>



    Die 4 started deteriorating soon after being put into service, developing rim cuds that got progressively larger. It was taken out of production after striking a very small amount of coins. It is in high demand because collectors attempt to complete a set of the 10 major DDOs for 1972. I sold a red uncirculated ANACS 64 for $3800.00 earlier this year.
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