CNG - a couple of sede vacante medals

worldcoinguy · May 15, 2015 12:33AM

I managed to add a couple of medals to my sede vacante set this week. I can't wait to see what the Mainz looks like in hand. Paid dearly for it but I am thinking it will be one of the collection centerpieces.

GERMANY, Mainz (Erzbistum). Sede Vacante. 1743. AR Medal (47mm, 33.21 g, 12h). By W. Schäffer. S. Martin on horse trotting left, holding sword and sharing clothing with beggar to lower right; border of 12 coats-of-arms around / * CAPITUL : METROP : MOGUNT : *, garnished coat-of-arms; around, border of 11 coats-of-arms and cartouche with SEDE/VACAN/TE. Walther 508; Zepernick 18. Superb EF, lightly toned and lustrous.

GERMANY, Speyer (Bistum). Sede Vacante. 1770. AR Medal (46mm, 36.42 g, 12h). By A. Schäffer. * CAPITVLVM CATHEDRALE SPIRENSE, half-length bust of the Madonna facing slightly right, holding Holy Infant; around, border of seven coats-of-arms and cartouche with date strung together / REGNANS SEDE VACANTE, bishopric coat-of-arms; around, border of eight coats-of-arms strung together. Haas 560; Zepernick 252. EF, lightly toned and lustrous.

rawmorgan · May 15, 2015 12:42AM

Those are really nice, great additions to your set.
Congrats.

brg5658 · May 15, 2015 1:04AM

Both fantastic -- but man, that one with the horse! "Me wants!"

Zohar · May 15, 2015 2:27AM

These are two monster buys for the core set. Well done.

worldcoinguy · May 15, 2015 2:57AM

Thanks guys. I quietly watched the lots over the last month wondering what kind of attention they would receive. It was the nicest collection of german states sede vacante material I have seen offered at one time. I was a bit surprised that there was no mention of the 22 sede vacante talers and medals in the original CNG email introduction to the auction or reminder last week. I realize that they are a bit obscure in the grand scheme of things, but they really should have added at least a mention of them.

I tried on a few other pieces but was outbid in the closing seconds. Some other bidders walked away with some very nice pieces from this auction:
1787 Regensberg taler
1761 Munster medal
1719 Munster 1.5 medallic taller
1761 Hildesheim medal
1781 Eichstadt taler
1772 Salzburg medal

If by chance a forum member won these, I am interested when you feel it is time to sell.
1761 Paderborn medal
1719 Munster medal

Iosephus · May 15, 2015 5:01AM

Beautiful medals!

JCMhouston · May 15, 2015 6:09AM

Very nice, congrats.

Zohar · May 15, 2015 7:42AM

Any mintage figures on these? Must have been limited issues.

EVillageProwler · May 15, 2015 8:13AM

Fantastic medals!!!

As an aside, isn't this place a superb distraction from our regular lives? In about 30 minutes, I read through and replied to comments about ancients, late dark ages/early middle ages, and late middle ages -- all European-centric, but still pretty cool reading.

EVP

worldcoinguy · May 15, 2015 8:22AM

<< <i>Any mintage figures on these? Must have been limited issues. >>

The Speyer piece had a total mintage of 300 pieces. I have not been able to find anything on the Mainz piece, but I suspect that it is in the same neighborhood. I would love to know the total surviving populations.

worldcoinguy · May 16, 2015 4:25AM

<< <i>
As an aside, isn't this place a superb distraction from our regular lives? In about 30 minutes, I read through and replied to comments about ancients, late dark ages/early middle ages, and late middle ages -- all European-centric, but still pretty cool reading.

EVP >>

I couldnt agree more. I never know what treasures i will find around here. .

LochNESS · May 19, 2015 3:12PM

Have they arrived in the mail? I'm curious to see how that first one looks in hand. The toning on the reverse(?) looks gorgeous. The center of the obv (horseman scene) has really bright fields though. I fear the image brightness may have been ramped up to make it more attractive (which would mean a darker appearance in hand and possibly darker toning).

Congrats on your newps! The detail on all the shields of the Mainz is stunning.

TwoKopeiki · May 19, 2015 9:58PM

Wonderful additions to an already great set, WCG! That Mainz is a stunner!

OldEastside · May 20, 2015 11:27PM

Yup

Steve

marcmoish · May 21, 2015 5:55AM

crazy ass details if I may say so myself on your Mainz!

Zohar · May 21, 2015 6:03AM

Marc crazy ass is an understatement - That coin is just awesome

worldcoinguy · November 18, 2015 1:53AM

This just made my month - I received notification of grades across the street. I thought I would update this original thread from May. Both are the first to be graded by PCGS and/or NGC.

1743 Mainz - Sede Vacante Taler - MS-64

NGC verification (2800576-001) - Mainz

1770 Speyer - Sede Vacante Medal - MS-61

NGC verification (2800576-002) - Speyer

LochNESS - good question on the "real" look of it. Here is a shot in muted light conditions to give it a bit of a different perspective. Tells quite a different story.