WOW! 61 Fleer

Largentcollector · May 8, 2015 1:15PM

Wow what a card!
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=381253892692

Largentcollector · May 8, 2015 1:16PM

I don't know to link

MULLINS5 · May 8, 2015 1:19PM

link

Largentcollector · May 8, 2015 1:20PM

Thanks!

MULLINS5 · May 8, 2015 1:24PM

<< And they still can't be bothered to post a high resolution or reverse images >>

My first thought.

Largentcollector · May 8, 2015 1:26PM

+1

shagrotn77 · May 8, 2015 2:01PM

<< And they still can't be bothered to post a high resolution or reverse images >>

Not a coincidence...

Dialj · May 8, 2015 9:57PM

WOW!, I am simply speechless.

charrigan · May 8, 2015 10:00PM

<< I don't know to link

>>

Easy. When typing a message, click on the "http [chain link icon]" button. It'll prompt you for the URL to the page you are linking and what text you would like it displayed as.

Largentcollector · May 8, 2015 10:25PM

Dpeck100 · May 8, 2015 10:27PM

Is the price realistic?

hammered · May 9, 2015 5:15AM

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<< And they still can't be bothered to post a high resolution or reverse images >>

Not a coincidence... >>

Yep.
Such a high volume seller could easily afford a scanner that provides great detail. Low-res scans hide flaws in the card that might drive away bidders. It works to their advantage to have crappy scans.

vols1 · May 9, 2015 5:24AM

Why is the magnifying glass not standard on every ebay auction?

Stone193 · May 9, 2015 6:16AM

In the world of 61Fs, this one is nicely centered.

Hard to believe it's that kind of dough? Wow.

I agree with 4SC - they could do a better job with the scans.

MULLINS5 · May 9, 2015 7:56AM

<< Why is the magnifying glass not standard on every ebay auction? >>

My guess is that it has to do with the volume they are scanning. When you scan that many items the quality will go down. I don't know where, since I'm obviously not involved in their scanning process, but if they're using a large bed scanner and cropping the images individually this could cause it. Also if they're exporting it from one file or program to another it could cause degradation of the quality of the scan. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with them "just being lazy" as a lot of people have said elsewhere, not in this thread.

Poor quality scans will not get the magnifying option on eBay listings.

MrNearMint · May 9, 2015 12:49PM

<< 

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<< And they still can't be bothered to post a high resolution or reverse images >>

Not a coincidence... >>

Yep.
Such a high volume seller could easily afford a scanner that provides great detail. Low-res scans hide flaws in the card that might drive away bidders. It works to their advantage to have crappy scans. >>

I would disagree. I have passed on many of their cards because I couldn't tell what I was looking at from the scans.

cardbender · May 9, 2015 8:25PM

<< Is the price realistic? >>

I once sold a 9 of this card for $1350 BIN, but that was like 8-9 years ago.
I think 9's now sell for $1700-2000 range.

This 10 has great centering for the issue but without a super sized scan I certainly wouldn't spend that kind of money on this card, but
if the right buyer came along, they might pull the trigger on it just because of that '10' number
in the corner of the slab.

perkdog · May 9, 2015 10:40PM

$25k for the card and $3 shipping

60sfan · May 10, 2015 1:45AM

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<< Why is the magnifying glass not standard on every ebay auction? >>

My guess is that it has to do with the volume they are scanning. When you scan that many items the quality will go down. I don't know where, since I'm obviously not involved in their scanning process, but if they're using a large bed scanner and cropping the images individually this could cause it. Also if they're exporting it from one file or program to another it could cause degradation of the quality of the scan. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with them "just being lazy" as a lot of people have said elsewhere, not in this thread.

Poor quality scans will not get the magnifying option on eBay listings. >>

PWCC has high quality scans .......... How are they doing it?

MULLINS5 · May 10, 2015 3:31AM

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<< Why is the magnifying glass not standard on every ebay auction? >>

My guess is that it has to do with the volume they are scanning. When you scan that many items the quality will go down. I don't know where, since I'm obviously not involved in their scanning process, but if they're using a large bed scanner and cropping the images individually this could cause it. Also if they're exporting it from one file or program to another it could cause degradation of the quality of the scan. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with them "just being lazy" as a lot of people have said elsewhere, not in this thread.

Poor quality scans will not get the magnifying option on eBay listings. >>

PWCC has high quality scans .......... How are they doing it? >>

No idea, but PWCC has a great setup. It is a bit different scenario than 4SC for three reasons 1) PWCC deals with other people's merchandise and not their own. For instance, if I were selling something for someone I would put that little bit TLC into listing. 2) the more the item brings in for PWCC the more they will make plus attract consignors. 3) Even though PWCC is huge, they don't have near the inventory of 4SC. For these reasons it is imperative that a business like PWCC provide quality scans to potential customers.

mlbfan2 · May 10, 2015 4:37AM

<< My guess is that it has to do with the volume they are scanning. When you scan that many items the quality will go down. I don't know where, since I'm obviously not involved in their scanning process, but if they're using a large bed scanner and cropping the images individually this could cause it. Also if they're exporting it from one file or program to another it could cause degradation of the quality of the scan. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with them "just being lazy" as a lot of people have said elsewhere, not in this thread. >>

Huh? They can certainly use high-res scans (and back scans) if they want to. They choose not to. Scan quality does not go down with high volume.

MULLINS5 · May 10, 2015 7:42AM

<< 

<< My guess is that it has to do with the volume they are scanning. When you scan that many items the quality will go down. I don't know where, since I'm obviously not involved in their scanning process, but if they're using a large bed scanner and cropping the images individually this could cause it. Also if they're exporting it from one file or program to another it could cause degradation of the quality of the scan. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with them "just being lazy" as a lot of people have said elsewhere, not in this thread. >>

Huh? They can certainly use high-res scans (and back scans) if they want to. They choose not to. Scan quality does not go down with high volume. >>

It's an equipment issue. I am not aware of how 4SC obtains scans. They may own the equipment or outsource. Whatever process they are using destroys the quality of the scan enough that the zoom feature doesn't work on eBay.

If I had to make a guess, I would say that the images are being scanned on a large bed scanner and then saved on a flash or uploaded into a filesave account and then cropped and then resaved before being added to the listing. Basically, each step destroys the image little by little.

DanBessette · May 10, 2015 7:48AM

<< 2) the more the item brings in for PWCC the more they will make >>

I'm pretty sure this is true of all businesses, 4SC included. If an item sells for more, you make more money.

mlbfan2 · May 10, 2015 8:12AM

<< It's an equipment issue. I am not aware of how 4SC obtains scans. They may own the equipment or outsource. Whatever process they are using destroys the quality of the scan enough that the zoom feature doesn't work on eBay.

If I had to make a guess, I would say that the images are being scanned on a large bed scanner and then saved on a flash or uploaded into a filesave account and then cropped and then resaved before being added to the listing. Basically, each step destroys the image little by little. >>

Highly unlikely. Either way, they are clearly choosing to upload low-res scans to ebay.

The dimensions of the scan of the card in question is 790 x 472 and is only 50 KB. That's tiny. I cropped one of my scans and it only went down to 900 KB! And I have a cheapo scanner.

MULLINS5 · May 10, 2015 8:28AM

<< 

<< It's an equipment issue. I am not aware of how 4SC obtains scans. They may own the equipment or outsource. Whatever process they are using destroys the quality of the scan enough that the zoom feature doesn't work on eBay.

If I had to make a guess, I would say that the images are being scanned on a large bed scanner and then saved on a flash or uploaded into a filesave account and then cropped and then resaved before being added to the listing. Basically, each step destroys the image little by little. >>

Highly unlikely. Either way, they are clearly choosing to upload low-res scans to ebay.

The dimensions of the scan of the card in question is 790 x 472 and is only 50 KB. That's tiny. I cropped one of my scans and it only went down to 900 KB! And I have a cheapo scanner. >>

In the end, yeah, once they make the listing active they chose to upload a low resolution scan. But I think it's because of their process and is not intentional. Over the years I've had a lot of digital outsourcing done and have become somewhat familiar in it. My guess is 4SC has one large image (maybe 100 cards in one image) and then they go and manually crop each one to use? Who knows.

DezHood · May 10, 2015 8:52AM

Anyone know where 4SC gets their inventory? Did they happen to pull a 10 from an unopened pack of 61 Fleer or do people think they buy collections like "Just_Collect"?

Stone193 · May 10, 2015 8:54AM

Some POP stats "may" be revealing?

Almost 20,000 submissions and only 65 PSA 10s in a set of 66 cards. That's .3 of 1%.

And skewing that a bit?

#19 - 4 10s and #51 - 3 10s; #43 - 3 10s; #44 - 3 10s.

A total of 25 have 0 10s (38%).

gregmo32 · May 10, 2015 8:08PM

That is a mega card. A population of one, condtion sensitive, HOF RC, from one of only three basketball card sets issued over a twenty year period, from the most popular and widely collected team in the sport. By the way, this card is really tough to find as a PSA 8, and I am willing to wager that almost all of the PSA 10 examples from this set came from the single ” find” of unopened that happened in the 1990's or thereabouts.

Trust me, there are hundreds of sports cards people are spending that much money on this year that will not be worth what this card is in ten years.

BruceinGa · May 10, 2015 8:45PM

My guess it that they choose to use a low resolution setting on their scanner, either theirs or their outsourcers's, because it is quicker. I can see it on a .99 card but not one like this.

80sOPC · May 10, 2015 11:58PM

Cards need to be scanned around 300 DPI in order for the zoom to work on Ebay. A 300 DPI scan takes twice as long as a 150 or 100 DPI scan. 4SC is a high volume seller and there is very little margin on a large percentage of their inventory. For every 5K card, they have 5K 10 dollar cards.

No excuse to not pull these high value cards out though and give them good scans front and back, but If I were them I would stick to the low res scans for the lower value cards.

packCollector · May 11, 2015 12:06AM

<< No excuse to not pull these high value cards out though and give them good scans front and back, but If I were them I would stick to the low res scans for the lower value cards. >>

they probably didn't know it was high value until it got to the stage in their operation where someone looked it up on VCP

before that it was in the stack with the 10,000 other cards just back from PSA

WOW! 61 Fleer

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