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Poppage: The Screws Have Once Again Tightened - Latest Sub Results Posted and Much Better

gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
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After a brief respite, the grader of death has once again reared his/her ugly head. Some of these will have to get cracked and resubbed during a more friendly period of time. All cards were purchased raw as NM-MT from reputable sellers and passed my inspection criteria. On the positive side, this and another sub from mid-month popped very quickly. However, I'd rather they take their time and get them right. I'll post some scans of the head scratchers when they arrive.

Order #20918987 / Submission #10008533

Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 24273309 NEAR MINT 7 1959 Topps 446 Rocky Nelson Card
2 1 24273310 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1959 Topps 443 Daryl Spencer Card
3 1 24273311 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1959 Topps 93 Julio Becquer Card
4 1 24273312 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1959 Topps 127 Kent Hadley Card
5 1 24273313 NEAR MINT 7 1959 Topps 503 Jim Owens Card
6 1 24273314 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1956 Topps 70 Jim Rivera Gray Back Card
7 1 24273315 NEAR MINT 7 1956 Topps 66 Bob Speake White Back Card
8 1 24273316 NEAR MINT 7 1956 Topps 60 Mayo Smith White Back Card
9 1 24273317 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1956 Topps 59 Jose Santiago White Back Card
10 1 24273318 EXCELLENT 5 1956 Topps 315 Milt Bolling Card
11 1 24273319 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 285 Eddie Miksis Card
12 1 24273320 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 283 Hal Smith Card
13 1 24273321 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1956 Topps 277 Daryl Spencer Card
14 1 24273322 NEAR MINT 7 1956 Topps 275 Jim Greengrass Card
15 1 24273323 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 239 Harry Simpson Card
16 1 24273324 EXCELLENT 5 1956 Topps 254 George Crowe Card
17 1 24273325 NEAR MINT 7 1956 Topps 141 Joe Frazier Gray Back Card
18 1 24273326 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1956 Topps 132 Bobby Avila Gray Back Card
19 1 24273327 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 86 Ray Jablonski Gray Back Card
20 1 24273328 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 136 Johnny Logan Gray Back Card
21 1 24273329 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 7 Ron Negray Gray Back Card
22 1 24273330 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1956 Topps 281 Art Houtteman Card
23 1 24273331 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1956 Topps 243 Sherm Lollar Card
24 1 24273332 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 32 Frank House Gray Back Card
25 1 24273333 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1956 Topps 53 Arnold Portocarrero White Back Card
26 1 24273334 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 186 Jim King Card
27 1 24273335 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 137 Bob Rush Card
28 1 24273336 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 254 Ron Negray Card
29 1 24273337 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 255 Charlie Silvera Card
30 1 24273338 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 251 Orioles Team Card
31 1 24273339 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 236 Joe Ginsberg Card
32 1 24273340 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1957 Topps 245 Rip Repulski Card
33 1 24273341 MINT 9 1957 Topps 228 Smoky Burgess Card
34 1 24273342 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1957 Topps 224 Marv Blaylock Card
35 1 24273343 NEAR MINT 7 1957 Topps 223 Frank House Card
36 1 24273344 NEAR MINT 7 1957 Topps 31 Ron Northey Card
37 1 24273345 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1957 Topps 91 Mack Burk Card
38 1 24273346 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1956 Topps 233 Carl Erskine Card
39 1 24273347 NEAR MINT 7 1953 Topps 26 Dale Mitchell Card
40 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1953 Topps 138 George Kell Card
41 1 24273349 NEAR MINT 7 1953 Topps 144 Bob Schultz Card
42 1 24273350 NEAR MINT 7 1953 Topps 158 John Logan Card
43 1 24273351 NEAR MINT 7 1953 Topps 198 Forrest Main Card
44 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1953 Topps 234 Ray Murray Card
45 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1957 Topps 318 Mickey McDermott Card
46 1 24273354 NEAR MINT 7 1959 Topps 153 Jim Marshall Card
47 1 24273355 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1956 Topps 71 Frank Sullivan White Back Card
48 1 24273356 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 75 Milt Pappas Card
49 1 24273357 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Topps 163 Hot Corner Guardian Green Tint Card
50 1 24273358 NEAR MINT 7 1956 Topps 220 Del Ennis Card
Total Items: 50
Date Received: 4/24/2015
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    I feel your pain. Very quick turnarounds but grades are harsh.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I can sadly say that I have had 4 subs this month that were all hammered! All of my crack outs that I felt were undergraded or had a shot at a bump came back with even lower grades than the original. What fun!!
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    Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bummer. imageimage
    Mike
    Bosox1976
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    firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    Oh great. He is back. Sorry
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
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    natetrooknatetrook Posts: 610 ✭✭✭
    PM sent
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    natetrooknatetrook Posts: 610 ✭✭✭
    PM sent
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    mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,342 ✭✭✭
    I still chuckle at the "EVIDENCE" of Trimming Grade. I would think that since we are paying for that, we should get what the exact evidence is
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
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    bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    I got hammered too this month.

    Time to take a little break from grading.
    Capecards
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    every little flaw is like a snowflake that never melts.
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    LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>every little flaw is like a snowflake that never melts. >>


    That's far too deep a thought for this early in the morning image
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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    lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    Am I missing something about this submission? Did you scan cards previously for other members to call PSA 8's on 1956 - 1959 "harsh"? I have no idea what you were expecting, but those seem like pretty good grades for vintage cards.
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    SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    Agree with Lightning, there are some fine grades there Gem! 59's are tough 8's, for that matter so are 57's, and you have quite a few. Can't wait to see scans. I'm guessing the 6's and 7's are disappointing?

    "Molon Labe"

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Tom. If this were one of your 1970s subs, John, I'd agree that you got hammered, but 20 out of 50 PSA 8 or better for 1950s cards actually seems pretty impressive, closer to the G.O.L. than the G.O.D., lol.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭


    Yeah there was not even any mercy for the March Group Sub.
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    They call me "Pack the Ripper"
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree with Tom. If this were one of your 1970s subs, John, I'd agree that you got hammered, but 20 out of 50 PSA 8 or better for 1950s cards actually seems pretty impressive, closer to the G.O.L. than the G.O.D., lol. >>



    I guess it's a matter of perspective. These were high end cards that I paid strong prices to obtain. They also appear stronger than many of the 8s I'm seeing on eBay. I can't tell you how many PSA 8 1956's I pass up on eBay because the corners are visible rounded. I'll post some scans of the stronger cards that were graded low to get your opinions.

    On my 1960+ sub, I also got hit pretty hard. The most frustrating one was a mint looking 1969 Dave Duncan, a tough card. The first time I subbed it, it got rejected for min size. When I got it back, I sized it up it measured perfectly to full size cards. So I resubbed it. This time they holdered it but they graded it a seven. No way that card is anything less than an 8. Here's that sub...

    Order #20919034 / Submission #10008189

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 N8: MISCUT 1970 Topps 84 Paul Casanova Card
    2 1 24273831 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 68 Dave Duncan Card
    3 1 24273832 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 181 Sparky Anderson Card
    4 1 24273833 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 230 Brooks Robinson Card
    5 1 24273834 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1969 Topps 77 Ron Perranoski Cap Emblem Visible Card
    6 1 24273835 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 45 Maury Wills Card
    7 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1970 Topps 654 N.L. Rookies O.Gamble/B.Day/A.Mangual Card
    8 1 24273837 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 560 Joe Morgan Card
    9 1 24273838 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 7 Jim Umbarger Card
    10 1 24273839 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 661 Jerry Robertson Card
    11 1 24273840 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 99 Bobby Pfeil Card
    12 1 24273841 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 710 Felix Millan Card
    13 1 24273842 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 54 Cisco Carlos Card
    14 1 24273843 MINT 9 1969 Topps 44 Danny Cater Card
    15 1 24273844 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 27 Bernie Allen Card
    16 1 24273845 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 22 Jesus Alou Card
    17 1 24273846 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1973 Topps 1 All Time H.R. Ldrs. B.Ruth/H.Aaron/W.Mays Card
    18 1 24273847 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 553 Mickey Scott Card
    19 1 24273848 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 555 Bill Hands Card
    20 1 24273849 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 581 Steve Kealey Card
    21 1 24273850 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 611 Rookie Outfielders Coggins/Wohlford/Zisk Card
    22 1 24273851 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 616 Rookie Pitchers Angelini/Blateric/Garman Card
    23 1 24273852 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 330 Rod Carew Card
    24 1 N8: MISCUT 1974 Topps 329 Mark Belanger Card
    25 1 24273854 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1965 Topps 385 Carl Yastrzemski Card
    26 1 24273855 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1965 Topps 361 Checklist 353-429 Card
    27 1 24273856 EXCELLENT 5 1965 Topps 11 AL Strikeout Ldrs. Downing/Pascual/Chance Card
    28 1 24273857 MINT 9 1965 Topps 86 Les Narum Card
    29 1 24273858 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1965 Topps 81 Don Buford Card
    30 1 24273859 NEAR MINT 7 1965 Topps 58 Fred Talbot Card
    31 1 24273860 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1965 Topps 112 Derrell Griffith Card
    32 1 24273861 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 203 Rudy May Card
    33 1 24273862 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 62 Merritt Ranew With Sold Statement Card
    34 1 24273863 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 202 Orioles Celebrate Sweep Twins in Three! Card
    35 1 24273864 NEAR MINT 7 1966 Topps 233 Dom Zanni Card
    36 1 24273865 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 295 Jim Hart Card
    37 1 24273866 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 353 Al McBean Card
    38 1 24273867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 529 White Sox Rookies L.Elia/D.Higgins/B.Voss Card
    39 1 24273868 NEAR MINT 7 1963 Topps 70 Jim O'Toole Card
    40 1 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1975 Topps 343 Danny Frisella Card
    41 1 24273870 NEAR MINT 7 1975 Topps 219 Ed Herrmann Card
    42 1 24273871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 452 Al Ferrara First Name in Yellow Card
    43 1 24273872 MINT 9 1969 Topps 446 Claude Raymond Card
    44 1 24273873 MINT 9 1969 Topps 330 Tony Conigliaro Card
    45 1 24273874 MINT 9 1969 Topps 435 Sam McDowell All-Star Card
    46 1 24273875 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 62 AL Batting Leaders Carew/Smith/Oliva Card
    47 1 24273876 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1961 Topps 383 Frisco First Liners McCormick/Sanford/O'Dell Card
    48 1 24273877 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1961 Topps 461 Smoky Burgess Card
    49 1 24273878 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Topps 375 Ron Fairly Card
    50 1 24273879 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 415 Bill Virdon Card
    51 1 24273880 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 497 Ed Bouchee Card
    52 1 24273881 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1962 Topps 548 Bobby Del Greco Card
    53 1 24273882 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1964 Topps 65 Felipe Alou Card
    54 1 24273883 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 200 A.L.C.S. Game 2 Powell Scores Win. Run! Card
    55 1 24273884 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 204 Len Gabrielson Card
    56 1 24273885 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 206 Clete Boyer Card
    57 1 24273886 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 216 Chuck Hartenstein Card
    58 1 24273887 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 218 Ron Stone Card
    59 1 24273888 NEAR MINT 7 1975 Topps 90 Rusty Staub Card
    60 1 24273889 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 100 Willie Stargell Card
    61 1 24273890 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 259 Len Randle Card
    62 1 24273891 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 219 Ed Herrmann Card
    63 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 Topps 444 Gene Garber Card
    64 1 24273893 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 50 Brooks Robinson Card
    65 1 24273894 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 35 Ron Santo Card
    66 1 24273895 MINT 9 1975 Topps 28 Tom Murphy Card
    67 1 24273896 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 27 Ken Reitz Card
    68 1 24273897 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 Topps 168 Deron Johnson in Action Card
    69 1 24273898 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 221 Ron Brand Card
    70 1 24273899 MINT 9 1970 Topps 228 Aurelio Rodriguez Card
    71 1 24273900 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 237 Russ Gibson Card
    72 1 24273901 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 256 Vic Davalillo Card
    73 1 24273902 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 128 Checklist 133-263 #226 Is R Perranoski Card
    74 1 24273903 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 137 Art Shamsky Card
    75 1 24273904 MINT 9 1970 Topps 143 Phil Gagliano Card
    76 1 24273905 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 145 Rico Carty Card
    77 1 24273906 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 147 Angel Hermoso Card
    78 1 24273907 MINT 9 1970 Topps 148 Earl Weaver Card
    79 1 24273908 MINT 9 1970 Topps 149 Billy Champion Card
    80 1 24273909 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 150 Harmon Killebrew Card
    81 1 24273910 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 155 Denis Menke Card
    82 1 24273911 MINT 9 1970 Topps 157 Manny Mota Card
    83 1 24273912 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 158 Jerry McNertney Card
    84 1 24273913 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 159 Tommy Helms Card
    85 1 24273914 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 161 Richie Scheinblum Card
    86 1 24273915 MINT 9 1970 Topps 164 Ty Cline Card
    87 1 24273916 MINT 9 1970 Topps 165 Ed Kirkpatrick Card
    88 1 24273917 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 168 Dave Watkins Card
    89 1 24273918 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 170 Billy Williams Card
    90 1 24273919 MINT 9 1970 Topps 174 Ted Sizemore Card
    91 1 24273920 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 177 Jim Northrup Card
    92 1 24273921 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 180 Tommy John Card
    93 1 24273922 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 181 Sparky Anderson Card
    94 1 24273923 MINT 9 1970 Topps 183 Jerry Grote Card
    95 1 24273924 MINT 9 1970 Topps 185 Don Mincher Card
    96 1 24273925 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 188 Manny Sanguillen Card
    97 1 24273926 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 190 Joe Torre Card
    98 1 24273927 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 191 Vicente Romo Card
    99 1 24273928 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 192 Jim Qualls Card
    100 1 24273929 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 199 A.L.C.S. Game 1 Orioles Win A Squeeker! Card
    Total Items: 100
    Date Received: 4/24/2015
    Date Shipped: 4/30/2015
    Order Status: Shipped
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice % of 9s on the 1970s, John.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    without knowing any better, i couldn't imagine you sending in a '69T Jesus Alou for the pleasure of owning a NM 7 when a GEM MINT 10 could be had for barely more than the price of a street vendors hot dog and a Coke.

    condolences on the wipeouts. looks like they are really scrutinizing everything extra carefully now.
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>without knowing any better, i couldn't imagine you sending in a '69T Jesus Alou for the pleasure of owning a NM 7 when a GEM MINT 10 could be had for barely more than the price of a street vendors hot dog and a Coke.

    condolences on the wipeouts. looks like they are really scrutinizing everything extra carefully now. >>



    Yep, I know the 1969s well having submitted a few thousand over the years. The first series high pop cards I submitted were easy 9s in my mind. I was hoping to hit a 10 to make it worth my while. I guess getting three 1969 10s on my previous sub got me over confident to try on those. When you're getting 7s on cards that are screamers, you know there's something wrong. No way two or more graders are looking at those.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>without knowing any better, i couldn't imagine you sending in a '69T Jesus Alou for the pleasure of owning a NM 7 when a GEM MINT 10 could be had for barely more than the price of a street vendors hot dog and a Coke.

    condolences on the wipeouts. looks like they are really scrutinizing everything extra carefully now. >>



    Now? If you do a search in the history of these forums, I think you will find this to be a more timeless refrain, lol.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>without knowing any better, i couldn't imagine you sending in a '69T Jesus Alou for the pleasure of owning a NM 7 when a GEM MINT 10 could be had for barely more than the price of a street vendors hot dog and a Coke.

    condolences on the wipeouts. looks like they are really scrutinizing everything extra carefully now. >>



    Now? If you do a search in the history of these forums, I think you will find this to be a more timeless refrain, lol. >>



    um. i mean this minute Tim. and the one which preceded it. and the one before that. and the next one after this one. and all of next Monday's minutes, too. image
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    I think a grader looking at the new shiny stuff has been thrown to the normal cardboard side and is having a hard time identifying a GEM from that era.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think a grader looking at the new shiny stuff has been thrown to the normal cardboard side and is having a hard time identifying a GEM from that era. >>




    I think this is a real possibility
    I've heard from more than one source that the better grades on vintage cards come from the more experienced vintage graders, who know the characteristics of older cards and don't compare them to the shiny plastic modern stuff.
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As promised here are some scans of the particularly harsh grades. All cards were closely screened for surface defects before submitting. It's possible I missed them on a card...maybe one. I'd be interested in everyone's comments. Maybe I'm getting blind in my old age and missed obvious flaws.

    First up, 1981 Joe Morgan. The only reason I subbed it is because it had 10 potential. I guess not.

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    Next up, 1973 Rookies. Was expecting at least an 8.

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    Next up, PSA 5 1965 SO Leaders.

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    Next up, PSA 6 1965 common.

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    Next up, PSA 7 1975 Staub. Centering is very similar to my PSA 9 example.

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    1969 Bernie Allen. Would be a 9 any other day of the week.

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    1969 Maury Wills.

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    1969 Dave Duncan.

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    1969 Perranoski emblem visible.

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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A few more...1962 PSA 7s

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    Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Rusty Staub has a large pink print dot in the left border and a touched corners. I also see a similar pink print dot in the right border too.

    What grade were you expecting on this one?


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    Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On the 1965 Topps SO Leaders did you miss a wrinkle by chance? The only thing I can think that would bring it down to a PSA 5.


    The Joe Morgan looks really solid in the scan. Maybe harsh on the surface in the blue area?
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 69s so seem strong for the grade unless we're missing something on the surfaces, but I'd also grade the Morgan an 8 (maybe 8.5) and the Staub is accurately graded as a 7 imo with that centering and registration issues.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the feedback Dan. I have a lot of 1975 PSA 9s with Fisheyes. Though I don't prefer those cards myself, PSA has historically not downgraded for it. This is my PSA 9 Singleton and not the only one with this Fisheye out on the market.

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    jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭✭
    Crazy how those new PSA holograms don't really show up very well in a scan.
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    Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After seeing that I guess those two pink issues are not really that bad.

    The centering on the Staub looks like 65/35 and the upper right corner looks touched.

    I have never graded a 1975 Topps card so perhaps someone else can chime in.

    The 1965 common looks stronger then a PSA 6 to me. You can see a little corner weakness on the reverse but in the scans I would think it would be graded higher. I have cracked out a few cards that I thought looked much stronger then PSA 6's that I have subbed and they had deflated corners that look much worse under heavy light. Maybe that is the case here.

    The hard part about the crack and sub game now is the new PSA holder. So tough to crack.

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Singleton has low eye appeal for a 9 with that fisheye but is cleaner and better centered than the Staub (and corners are not as touched).

    If I were submitting that Staub, I would not expect better than an 8 at best.

    There are always going to be isolated examples to justify a higher grade on a partucular card, but I don't believe that using a card with lower eye appeal should be the measuring stick to argue that a card should have received a higher grade


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    the 69s hide flaws very well. my loupe gets a workout when viewing cards from that issue. John, you know i've had my hands on a pile of these once or twice. they've thrown me strange curves in the past as well, but a good history of success overall. the Duncan resembles the best raw example i'd ever been able to find which was an 8 and the focus was a little bit sharper. my guess is the focus shift would explain your 7.

    the tweeners don't seem to be getting the love in a few of the other examples you've posted.
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    PiggsPiggs Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭✭
    Do you think the centering on the back of some of the cards swayed them toward a lower grade? Maybe they are focusing on the backs more now. Nice looking cards. Doug
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got my 144 card sub grades today. I'm glad I split it the way I did because this one was much more favorable. Will post grades tonight.
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    mrpeanut39mrpeanut39 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭
    It seems the headscratcher 5s can be explained away with the dreaded surface wrinkle. I'm puzzled by the seemingly bizarre PSA 6s. I'm looking at that 65 Griffith. I believe I heard someone say that these mystery 6s are due to a surface wrinkle on the back of the card. Can anyone else confirm this?

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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 69s so seem strong for the grade unless we're missing something on the surfaces, but I'd also grade the Morgan an 8 (maybe 8.5) and the Staub is accurately graded as a 7 imo with that centering and registration issues. >>



    Tim, just curious what you see with the registration issues. I agree centering is not ideal but is good enough for an 8. That one was not a 9 candidate in my view but a pretty solid 8.
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, here's my 144 card sub that was dropped off at the same time as the 100 card sub I got hammered on. This one was much better and was from the same inventory stock as the 100 card sub. It definitely seems the results depend heavily on who's grading the cards. Much happier with this one. Glad I loaded more cards on this sub rather on the 100 card sub.

    Order #20919038 / Submission #10008528

    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 24274769 MINT 9 1964 Topps 480 Bob Purkey Card
    2 1 24274770 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 452 John Boccabella Card
    3 1 24274771 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 587 Dick Bertell Card
    4 1 24274772 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1961 Topps 323 Sammy Esposito Card
    5 1 24274773 MINT 9 1966 Topps 244 Astros Rookies C.Harrison/S.Jackson Card
    6 1 24274774 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 259 Red Sox Team Card
    7 1 24274775 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 376 Paul Schaal Card
    8 1 24274776 MINT 9 1966 Topps 155 Marcelino Lopez Card
    9 1 24274777 MINT 9 1966 Topps 538 Bob Allen Card
    10 1 24274778 MINT 9 1968 Topps 191 Dan Frisella Card
    11 1 24274779 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 87 Horace Clarke Card
    12 1 24274780 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 340 Dave McNally Card
    13 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1970 Topps 385 George Scott Card
    14 1 24274782 MINT 9 1970 Topps 279 Bill Lee Card
    15 1 24274783 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 348 Mets Rookies M.Jorgensen/J.Hudson Card
    16 1 24274784 MINT 9 1969 Topps 154 Jim Britton Card
    17 1 24274785 MINT 9 1967 Topps 496 Orlando McFarlane Card
    18 1 24274786 MINT 9 1970 Topps 10 Carl Yastrzemski Card
    19 1 24274787 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 372 Jack Curtis Card
    20 1 24274788 MINT 9 1969 Topps 153 Ed Brinkman Card
    21 1 24274789 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 554 Dave Concepcion Card
    22 1 24274790 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 534 Dave Lemonds Card
    23 1 24274791 MINT 9 1973 Topps 640 Dick Bosman Card
    24 1 24274792 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 378 Lenny Randle Card
    25 1 24274793 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 401 Clyde Mashore Card
    26 1 24274794 MINT 9 1973 Topps 169 Ron Schueler Card
    27 1 24274795 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 406 Paul Lindblad Card
    28 1 24274796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 475 Ty Cobb All-Time Batting Leader Card
    29 1 24274797 MINT 9 1969 Topps 145 Max Alvis Card
    30 1 24274798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 315 Eddie Fisher Card
    31 1 24274799 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 434 Jerry Koosman All-Star Card
    32 1 24274800 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 289 Bart Shirley Card
    33 1 24274801 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 227 Frank Johnson Card
    34 1 24274802 MINT 9 1972 Topps 305 Ken Boswell Card
    35 1 24274803 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 302 Phil Gagliano Card
    36 1 24274804 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 281 Danny Walton Card
    37 1 24274805 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 257 Nelson Briles Card
    38 1 24274806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 334 Roberto Pena Card
    39 1 24274807 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 260 Tommy Harper Card
    40 1 24274808 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 486 Terry Harmon Card
    41 1 24274809 NEAR MINT 7 1971 Topps 736 Mel Queen Card
    42 1 24274810 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 445 Vada Pinson Card
    43 1 24274811 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 Topps 287 Mike Fiore Card
    44 1 24274812 MINT 9 1970 Topps 6 Grant Jackson Card
    45 1 24274813 MINT 9 1973 Topps 239 Pete Richert Card
    46 1 24274814 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1964 Topps 419 Ken Harrelson Card
    47 1 24274815 NEAR MINT 7 1976 Topps 365 Carlton Fisk Card
    48 1 24274816 NEAR MINT 7 1960 Topps 192 Danny O'Connell Card
    49 1 24274817 MINT 9 1969 Topps 247 Gene Oliver Card
    50 1 24274818 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1962 Topps 30 Ed Mathews Card
    51 1 24274819 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1963 Topps 274 Checklist 265-352 Card
    52 1 24274820 MINT 9 1973 Topps 288 Gary Gentry Card
    53 1 24274821 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 Topps 94 AL Pitching Leaders M.Lolich/V.Blue/W.Wood Card
    54 1 24274822 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 Topps 108 Gary Waslewski Card
    55 1 24274823 MINT 9 1972 Topps 65 Cesar Cedeno Card
    56 1 24274824 MINT 9 1973 Topps 118 John Mayberry Card
    57 1 24274825 MINT 9 1970 Topps 205 Bert Campaneris Card
    58 1 24274826 MINT 9 1970 Topps 206 Clete Boyer Card
    59 1 24274827 MINT 9 1970 Topps 207 Tigers Rookies N.McRae/B.Reed Card
    60 1 24274828 GEM MINT 10 1970 Topps 209 Ken Suarez Card
    61 1 24274829 MINT 9 1970 Topps 210 Juan Marichal Card
    62 1 24274830 MINT 9 1970 Topps 211 Ted Williams Card
    63 1 24274831 MINT 9 1970 Topps 213 Andy Etchebarren Card
    64 1 24274832 MINT 9 1970 Topps 214 Ken Boswell Card
    65 1 24274833 MINT 9 1970 Topps 215 Reggie Smith Card
    66 1 24274834 MINT 9 1970 Topps 217 Ron Hansen Card
    67 1 24274835 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 219 Jerry Kenney Card
    68 1 24274836 MINT 9 1970 Topps 221 Ron Brand Card
    69 1 24274837 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 222 Jim Rooker Card
    70 1 24274838 MINT 9 1970 Topps 224 Steve Barber Card
    71 1 24274839 MINT 9 1970 Topps 225 Lee May Card
    72 1 24274840 GEM MINT 10 1970 Topps 229 Rich Robertson Card
    73 1 24274841 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1970 Topps 230 Brooks Robinson Card
    74 1 24274842 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 231 Luis Tiant Card
    75 1 N8: MISCUT 1970 Topps 234 Tommy Dean Card
    76 1 24274844 MINT 9 1970 Topps 236 Bob Veale Card
    77 1 24274845 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 239 Ken Berry Card
    78 1 24274846 MINT 9 1970 Topps 241 Royals Rookies A.Fitzmorris/S.Northey Card
    79 1 24274847 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 242 Walter Alston Card
    80 1 24274848 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 246 Jim McAndrew Card
    81 1 24274849 MINT 9 1970 Topps 248 Jesus Alou Card
    82 1 24274850 MINT 9 1970 Topps 249 Bob Locker Card
    83 1 24274851 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 250 Willie McCovey Card
    84 1 24274852 MINT 9 1970 Topps 252 Lowell Palmer Card
    85 1 24274853 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 255 Jim Spencer Card
    86 1 24274854 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 258 Paul Popovich Card
    87 1 24274855 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 261 Curt Motton Card
    88 1 24274856 MINT 9 1970 Topps 263 Duane Josephson Card
    89 1 24274857 MINT 9 1970 Topps 134 Danny Walton Card
    90 1 24274858 MINT 9 1970 Topps 146 Danny Murphy Card
    91 1 24274859 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 150 Harmon Killebrew Card
    92 1 24274860 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 155 Denis Menke Card
    93 1 24274861 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 168 Dave Watkins Card
    94 1 24274862 MINT 9 1970 Topps 180 Tommy John Card
    95 1 24274863 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 183 Don Shaw Card
    96 1 24274864 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 183 Don Shaw Card
    97 1 24274865 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 638 Ed Sprague Card
    98 1 24274866 NEAR MINT 7 1969 Topps 483 Ted Abernathy Card
    99 1 24274867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 540 Lou Brock Card
    100 1 24274868 NEAR MINT 7 1974 Topps 65 Amos Otis Card
    101 1 24274869 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 Topps 369 Paul Lindblad Card
    102 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1963 Topps 517 Hal Woodeshick Card
    103 1 24274871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1966 Topps 326 Braves Team No Dot Between "Place" And "National" Card
    104 1 N8: MISCUT 1963 Topps 450 Bob Friend Card
    105 1 24274873 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1960 Topps 515 Stan Lopata Card
    106 1 24274874 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1960 Topps 330 Harvey Kuenn Card
    107 1 24274875 NEAR MINT 7 1960 Topps 514 Steve Barber Card
    108 1 24274876 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 11 Nate Colbert Card
    109 1 24274877 MINT 9 1970 Topps 49 Tim Cullen Card
    110 1 24274878 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 69 NL Pitching Leaders Card
    111 1 24274879 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 70 AL Pitching Leaders Card
    112 1 24274880 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 71 NL Strikeout Leader Jenkins/Gibson/Singer Card
    112 2 24274881 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 71 NL Strikeout Leader Jenkins/Gibson/Singer Card
    113 1 24274882 MINT 9 1970 Topps 75 Jim Kaat Card
    114 1 24274883 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 119 Chuck Taylor Card
    115 1 24274884 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 Topps 185 Don Mincher Card
    116 1 24274885 NEAR MINT 7 1970 Topps 150 Harmon Killebrew Card
    117 1 24274886 MINT 9 1969 Topps 386 Jim McGlothlin Card
    118 1 24274887 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 236 Manny Mota Card
    119 1 24274888 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1972 Topps 671 Donn Clendenon Card
    120 1 24274889 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 365 Carlton Fisk Card
    121 1 24274890 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 Topps 420 Joe Morgan Card
    122 1 24274891 MINT 9 1965 Topps 467 Ray Washburn Card
    123 1 24274892 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 47 Tommy John Card
    124 1 24274893 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 540 Lou Brock Card
    125 1 24274894 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 600 Rod Carew Card
    126 1 24274895 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 225 Bobby Grich Card
    127 1 24274896 MINT 9 1975 Topps 297 Craig Kusick Card
    128 1 24274897 MINT 9 1965 Topps 107 Phillies Rookies P.Corrales/C.Shockley Card
    129 1 24274898 MINT 9 1965 Topps 135 World Series Game 4 Boyer's Grand-Slam Card
    130 1 24274899 MINT 9 1975 Topps 150 Bob Gibson Card
    131 1 24274900 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Topps 175 Frank Howard Card
    132 1 24274901 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 237 World Series the Winners Celebrate Card
    133 1 24274902 NEAR MINT 7 1962 Topps 339 Jose Valdivielso Card
    134 1 24274903 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1962 Topps 388 Ryne Duren Card
    135 1 24274904 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 46 Fritz Peterson Card
    136 1 24274905 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 Topps 312 Deron Johnson Card
    137 1 24274906 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 80 Norm Cash Card
    138 1 24274907 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 10 NL Pitching Leaders Marichal/Gibson/Jenkins Card
    139 1 24274908 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 17 Mike Marshall Card
    140 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1969 Topps 30 Bob Allison Card
    141 1 24274910 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 88 Rich Nye Card
    142 1 24274911 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1969 Topps 103 Roger Repoz Card
    143 1 24274912 NEAR MINT 7 1964 Topps 403 Reds Team Card
    Total Items: 144
    Date Received: 4/24/2015
    Date Shipped: 5/4/2015
    Order Status: Shipped
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The 69s so seem strong for the grade unless we're missing something on the surfaces, but I'd also grade the Morgan an 8 (maybe 8.5) and the Staub is accurately graded as a 7 imo with that centering and registration issues. >>



    Tim, just curious what you see with the registration issues. I agree centering is not ideal but is good enough for an 8. That one was not a 9 candidate in my view but a pretty solid 8. >>



    Two fisheyes~a larger pink one which is tougher to see because of the colored border and a smaller yellow one below it. I think the combination of those defects and the centering are what relegated the card to a NM 7 grade, though I could see it in a 7.5 holder.

    Regardless of that, though, John, your second sub more than makes up for it~congrats! You should edit the title, as the screws have now been loosened again, lol..


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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The 69s so seem strong for the grade unless we're missing something on the surfaces, but I'd also grade the Morgan an 8 (maybe 8.5) and the Staub is accurately graded as a 7 imo with that centering and registration issues. >>



    Tim, just curious what you see with the registration issues. I agree centering is not ideal but is good enough for an 8. That one was not a 9 candidate in my view but a pretty solid 8. >>



    Two fisheyes~a larger pink one which is tougher to see because of the colored border and a smaller yellow one below it. I think the combination of those defects and the centering are what relegated the card to a NM 7 grade, though I could see it in a 7.5 holder.

    Regardless of that, though, John, your second sub more than makes up for it~congrats! You should edit the title, as the screws have now been loosened again, lol.. >>



    Yeah I'm happy but how do you predict what a card will grade with this variability? I guess the key is to just continue to break subs up to increase the odds that the grader of death won't get them all.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,535 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The 69s so seem strong for the grade unless we're missing something on the surfaces, but I'd also grade the Morgan an 8 (maybe 8.5) and the Staub is accurately graded as a 7 imo with that centering and registration issues. >>



    Tim, just curious what you see with the registration issues. I agree centering is not ideal but is good enough for an 8. That one was not a 9 candidate in my view but a pretty solid 8. >>



    Two fisheyes~a larger pink one which is tougher to see because of the colored border and a smaller yellow one below it. I think the combination of those defects and the centering are what relegated the card to a NM 7 grade, though I could see it in a 7.5 holder.

    Regardless of that, though, John, your second sub more than makes up for it~congrats! You should edit the title, as the screws have now been loosened again, lol.. >>



    Yeah I'm happy but how do you predict what a card will grade with this variability? I guess the key is to just continue to break subs up to increase the odds that the grader of death won't get them all. >>



    You've been grading cards long enough to realize that as long as human beings are doing the grading there will be some inherent variability. The idea that grading criteria is now tougher than before is a concept that comes up every now and then here, typically after a disappointing sub, but a superb sub like the second one illustrates that is really not the case.


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    MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    This is exactly why I break my subs up into several small ones a month.



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