Angels: replace Finley with Fregosi Cubs: replace Sosa with Williams Giants: replace Bonds with McCovey Pirates: replace Kiner with Bonds Rangers: replace Gonzalez with Howard Royals: replace Quisenberry with Otis
What Bonds accomplished before he started cheating dwarfs what Kiner accomplished. What he accomplished after that does not deserve mention let alone honor. I didn't kick off every cheater, but if we're only going to put Bonds on one Mt. Rushmore, he should go on the one where they can carve his head before it swelled to alien proportions.
I'm not sure Richard belongs on the Astros list either, but it seems mean-spirited to kick him off. Cedeno has the strongest claim to the fourth spot.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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What Bonds accomplished before he started cheating dwarfs what Kiner accomplished. >>
Kiner won seven straight home run titles and had multiple massive OPS+ seasons. I wouldn't object to Barry over Kiner but his accomplishments in Pittsburgh hardly "dwarf" those of Kiner.
<< <i>[Kiner won seven straight home run titles and had multiple massive OPS+ seasons. I wouldn't object to Barry over Kiner but his accomplishments in Pittsburgh hardly "dwarf" those of Kiner. >>
I guess "dwarf" is in the eye of the beholder. Kiner's accomplishments look small to me from atop Bonds' accomplishments on the Pirates.
And Kershaw in the Dodgers 4 caught my attention, too. Neither Snider nor Campanella were as good as most people think they were, but they did certainly achieve more in their careers than Kershaw has so far. But per season, Kershaw has them whupped, and I'll be shocked if he hasn't earned his place on Mt. Rushmore by the time he's through, so it didn't bother me enough to call out. Quisenberry over Otis is far more offensive to me.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
Compared to Kiner, in Pittsburgh Bonds had: fewer games, 125 fewer home runs, lower OPS, lower OPS+, lower batting average, 175 fewer walks, lower slugging, and Kiner had six seasons with more homers than Barry's best in Pittsburgh. Yes, Barry was a lot faster and better - but overrated - defensively. Yep, he won two MVPs. But it's nowhere near as one-sided as you're making it out to be. Fact is, the first four of Barry's 7 years in Pittsburgh were nothing special and included a full-season .248/19/58 year. He was an elite player for three seasons. Kiner was elite for 6.
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My serious objections:
Angels: replace Finley with Fregosi
Cubs: replace Sosa with Williams
Giants: replace Bonds with McCovey
Pirates: replace Kiner with Bonds
Rangers: replace Gonzalez with Howard
Royals: replace Quisenberry with Otis
What Bonds accomplished before he started cheating dwarfs what Kiner accomplished. What he accomplished after that does not deserve mention let alone honor. I didn't kick off every cheater, but if we're only going to put Bonds on one Mt. Rushmore, he should go on the one where they can carve his head before it swelled to alien proportions.
I'm not sure Richard belongs on the Astros list either, but it seems mean-spirited to kick him off. Cedeno has the strongest claim to the fourth spot.
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What Bonds accomplished before he started cheating dwarfs what Kiner accomplished.
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Kiner won seven straight home run titles and had multiple massive OPS+ seasons. I wouldn't object to Barry over Kiner but his accomplishments in Pittsburgh hardly "dwarf" those of Kiner.
<< <i>[Kiner won seven straight home run titles and had multiple massive OPS+ seasons. I wouldn't object to Barry over Kiner but his accomplishments in Pittsburgh hardly "dwarf" those of Kiner. >>
I guess "dwarf" is in the eye of the beholder. Kiner's accomplishments look small to me from atop Bonds' accomplishments on the Pirates.
And Kershaw in the Dodgers 4 caught my attention, too. Neither Snider nor Campanella were as good as most people think they were, but they did certainly achieve more in their careers than Kershaw has so far. But per season, Kershaw has them whupped, and I'll be shocked if he hasn't earned his place on Mt. Rushmore by the time he's through, so it didn't bother me enough to call out. Quisenberry over Otis is far more offensive to me.
Kiner was far more dominant than Bonds. 7 straight home run titles says it all.
If you have to include the Senators (which doesn't make sense), I'd go: Walter Johnson, Harmon Killebrew, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett
Without the Senators, I'd go: Harmon Killebrew, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Tony Oliva
Joe Mauer may displace Tony Oliva at some point once his final chapters are written.
Best Twins pitcher: I'd go with Bert Blyleven due to 87 World Series victory and his early years.
Erik