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NEWP: Palestine error coin
desslok
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Yes, I know it's real ugly. But it's mine, and I like it. In fact, I like it so much I purchased a large lot primarily for this coin (although the lot does have some other interesting goodies for me and some other coins I may be able to resell to recoup some of the investment). These things are rare. Really rare.
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LordMarcovan - I think you may be right. I thought it's corrosion, but upon closer examination it appears to be tacked on, as opposed to part of the surface (look for example at the PA in Palestine). I'm impressed that you could see this from the image while I missed it in hand. My concern is that the surface below the foreign substance might be toned differently, and so removing it would reveal ugly color spots. But then again, the current situation is also ugly color spots; so I think I'll try a careful acetone soak. I've had good experience in the past with the stuff and I know how to be careful with it, so I think it's worth a shot.
<< <i>My concern is that the surface below the foreign substance might be toned differently >>
Yes, this indeed a valid concern. You might end up with different colored spots beneath where the paint was.
Then again, that might not be as bad as the paint itself, and perhaps those could then be retoned with a little sulfur/Vaseline paste.
They're also small enough that you might get lucky and remove them to find the surfaces underneath don't clash too much, color-wise.
Proceed with caution, of course, but I think a little acetone might be in order here.
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You could also just soak it in mineral oil and see if it lifts on it's own?
<< <i>Unlike a toned 1881-S Morgan $1... With error coins since each is unique if you pass because of something that's bothersome you may never see another.
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+1. Especially like like the small circle where the hole should have been. Also a question since I'm not familiar with these: which came first, the hole or stamping of the design?
What fun!
I have seen errors like this in the French 5- and 10-centimes coins of the same era (well, roughly the same era- just before WW2.)
A. I've seen blank planchets with holes punched.
B. If you look closely at the coin in this picture, you'll see the hole is not round. The reason is that it was round when it was punched. But when the dies struck, the metal flowed in the direction of the hole, causing it to warp a bit into an elliptic shape. This happens because coin dies are slightly convex and push the metal from the center outwards towards the rim. When the hole is perfectly centered, it remains round.
It's true that there are examples without center holes punched at all. This doesn't prove when the hole was or wasn't punched.
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<< <i>B. If you look closely at the coin in this picture, you'll see the hole is not round. The reason is that it was round when it was punched. But when the dies struck, the metal flowed in the direction of the hole, causing it to warp a bit into an elliptic shape. This happens because coin dies are slightly convex and push the metal from the center outwards towards the rim. When the hole is perfectly centered, it remains round. >>
I saw the shape too which suggested the order but really have no knowledge of the production of these hence the question. It is interesting that the french pieces and this all have the same shaped hole which nicely illustrates the explanation. Wonder if its possible to get "mis-holed" positions for each hour on a clock face (argh...must resist the urge to look into this and need to hide checkbook)
Thanks for the quick followup!
<< <i>Congrats - that is something you don't see every day. >>
no, one does not
<< <i>LordMarcovan - the hole is punched first, the strike comes later. I have two evidence of that:
A. I've seen blank planchets with holes punched.
B. If you look closely at the coin in this picture, you'll see the hole is not round. The reason is that it was round when it was punched. But when the dies struck, the metal flowed in the direction of the hole, causing it to warp a bit into an elliptic shape. This happens because coin dies are slightly convex and push the metal from the center outwards towards the rim. When the hole is perfectly centered, it remains round.
It's true that there are examples without center holes punched at all. This doesn't prove when the hole was or wasn't punched. >>
I stand corrected, then. Serves me right for making an assumption.
When I was in high school, we had this old navy commander for our US History teacher. He would say, "You know what happens when you ASSUME something? You make an ASS out of U and ME." And he'd underline each part of the word as he said that, so hard he broke the chalk. He was a crusty old coot, but entertaining, and we liked him, tough though he was.
So here I am, more than thirty years later, still making assumptions.
You also know your stuff - its really cool how one gets a love of a certain area or topic and really delves into the nitty gritty of it all.
I have handled if I recall a few of these many years ago - they are definitely a rare occurrence for this series...especially so off center.