1813 busties...they just keep coming :)

jayPem

So here are a couple more gals in the raw. See if you can do the Mailbock, and attribute these without your book

1813 #1... I couldn't resist due to the amazing clashing through the left side stars. I really haven't seen this clash before, not bold like this anyway !





1813 #2... Is this variety R4 ? Yea or nay...( wanted one with the double profile either way...)

TopographicOceans

Interesting clash there with a cool effect on the top star.

BustHalfBrian

Attribute without the Bust half Bible? I can hardly attribute with it! At least the 1809's and 27's - those usually take awhile.

I know the bottom one only; 50C/UNI, but I forget the Overton number assigned to it. It's either 101 or 102, and yours appears to be the scarcer LDS.

jayPem

I know Brian, I know Mailbockaddict was able to attribute the last three i posted without looking them up, but he's doing an 1813 set too I believe...not a level playing field !

Right on with the 50/uni o-101a, and this one has the most extensive lapping I've come across. There seem to be quite a few 101's labeled as 101a's out there, but most
have the olive stem...the end of the stem is totally wiped out on this one.

Hint on #1, it's also listed as an R4 die state...

maibockaddict

Without looking...looks like the top one is a 105...an off center one and I have never seen that type of clash marks on any Bustie before.

Your 50/UNI is interesting because my 101a does not have a double profile, yet my 102 (the same obverse die in an even later die state) does have a double profile the same as yours! Yes it is supposedly R4 for the die state, but it seems like many of them show up for sale...

OKbustchaser

Your first coin looks to be a mid-state 107/107a. The crack through the C. on reverse has started, but not the V cracks on the obverse.








Edit: Truth in posting announcement.

Although, I didn't use the book I did look at my own example.

jdillane

JayPem has the fever!!

shorecoll

I have the fever but not the money... 75 and counting.

maibockaddict

Interesting. It is an O-107, and it is off center a bit like mine. Probably slightly later than mine because of the clashing. In any event, I can barely see the crack across the ribbon. It is hard to see but there may be a crack from the edge to S to base of O to the scroll on the reverse. The line around 50 C to the arrow is a clash.

1813 O-107




Lapping must have occurred after the clashing. Then the dies began to break up big time and it explains the amount of luster remaining on this 107a in spite of the amount of wear

1813 O-107a

lkeigwin

That 107 is pretty cool. The 10 o'clock obverse clashing is fun. Olive leaves and berries. DETINU below that. It's also off center struck. Looks to be a fairly early die state but it's a little hard to say from the pix. Are the usual cracks there? How about the four die dots down low in the date? 1.8.1..3

I like the die marriage. Funny that the 107' is an R4 and then, when the dies shattered and were falling apart somehow enough coins were struck (and survived) to make the 107a an R1. Mysteries like this make bust halves intriguing.

I don't think I've seen a 101a with such strong evidence of excessive lapping. R4 sounds good to me.
Lance.

lkeigwin

Good stuff, Dave.

Interesting that the die clash on the lower reverse, which I agree must have been later apped off, was replaced by a die crack that resembled it. Below is a mock-up of a complete clash, the clash on the 107, and two progressions of the die crack.
Lance.

maibockaddict

maibockaddict

maibockaddict

Way cool Lance!


My 101a 50 C/UNI

Interesting how it appears that yours may be a little later than mine...




Then the obverse was used a bit more to make the O-102. Note that my O-102 (as well as others so I have heard) has a similar yet less pronounced doubling to the nose and face. And does your example have a crack at star 2?

maibockaddict

Yes having some sort of posting seize up.

Regardless I need more 1813's!

BustHalfBrian

Dave, that O.101a in NGC has got be one of my favorite coins you've posted here.

NGC was harsh at 45, if you ask me. I bet PCGS would say 50, maybe even 53.

jayPem

<< <i>Without looking...looks like the top one is a 105...an off center one and I have never seen that type of clash marks on any Bustie before.

Your 50/UNI is interesting because my 101a does not have a double profile, yet my 102 (the same obverse die in an even later die state) does have a double profile the same as yours! Yes it is supposedly R4 for the die state, but it seems like many of them show up for sale... >>



What I've noticed though, is most of the one's I see have a fairly complete olive stem. Either they are miss attributed, or there was a later lapping that finally finished off that whole
area of the reverse... these obliterated ones don't seem as common.

maibockaddict

<< <i>Dave, that O.101a in NGC has got be one of my favorite coins you've posted here.

NGC was harsh at 45, if you ask me. I bet PCGS would say 50, maybe even 53. >>



Perhaps. But there are a few scratches by stars 2 and 3 that may have kept it at 45 plus the toning severely subdues the luster. That said, it does have slightly less wear and equal luster to the O-102 that I have that PCGS gave a 50 to, but then the argument can be made that the 102 is really a 45.

maibockaddict

<< <i>
What I've noticed though, is most of the one's I see have a fairly complete olive stem. Either they are miss attributed, or there was a later lapping that finally finished off that whole
area of the reverse... these obliterated ones don't seem as common. >>



I do believe that yours was struck after mine. But maybe mine is not really a 101a?

AnkurJ

What variety is mine?

maibockaddict

108

jayPem

Looks like a super nice 108 Ankur...any sign of a very faint die crack through the left side stars ?

jayPem

Looks like a sweet 108 Ankur. ..how much you want for it ?

jayPem

Mailbock, my 101a doesn't have the crack at star 2.
That crack is Very faint on my 102, but it doe have the double profile.

I'm surprised and a bit excited that no one has seen that type of clashing that's on the 107 before...

drddm

Here's a really crusty O-103




And a well struck O-105

lkeigwin

Those are wow coins, Dave! Love them! I'd love to have either or both.

Should we turn this into a "show us your 1813's" thread?
Lance.

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>Those are wow coins, Dave! Love them! I'd love to have either or both.

Should we turn this into a "show us your 1813's" thread?
Lance. >>



It seems to have already made that turn. Here's my only 1813;

jayPem

Yeah Dave, it's maybe time for you to let one or two of those find new homes

Looks like it is becoming a great show me your 1813's thread...at this rate, I may even have to bust out my 102

lkeigwin

<< <i>Yeah Dave, it's maybe time for you to let one or two of those find new homes >>

Hey! Get in line.

I don't like the grade on this 107a (XF45) but I can live with it. The 108a (AU58) I picked up years ago from Sheridan Downey and I've reshot it a few times. I'm still not happy.
Lance.

drddm

Thanks for the kind words Lance and Jordy, however there's no line that either of you need to stand in as these lovely ladies are not leaving the rest of their friends anytime soon.

Besides, I'm still bummed over the fact I sold you that O-107a Lance. I must have been off my rocker when I listed that one on the BST. So, if/when YOU decide to sell her, please realize that I'm first in line

And, yes you are correct. I still believe it's undergraded as an XF45. I crossed it from a very old ANACS holder many years ago and thought for sure it would get into a 50 holder at least. I hope she's currently at PCGS right now Lance and will be coming home to you soon in a new AND upgraded holder.

And where is that O-102 you speak of Jordy? I know I definitely want to see her...c'mon, stop keeping all the eye candy to yourself

Keep showing those awesome looking 1813's everyone!

maibockaddict

No one has put up an O-110 yet...

O-110

jayPem

Alright Dave, I was going to save it for a GTG but may as well start feeding this thread, as it's turning into a nice 1813 showcase !
Any way, if anyone wants to guess the grade....be my guest

drddm

Since I already know the grade on your O-102 Jordy, all I will say is that I love the look on this one AND that it has a really good strike!

OKbustchaser

It doesn't match up with Dave's, but here's another 105. (cracked out of a PCGS 53 holder)

asheland

Great thread!

maibockaddict

My highly detailed O-105

maibockaddict

1813 O-106a

This variety is tougher than one would think for an R2, especially in AU and higher grades. This coin is definitely an AU but the strike knocks it to a 45 as the graders just don't know what they are seeing....(45 at ANACS, 40 at NGC, 45 (twice) at PCGS)

jayPem

Dave, that is a nicely detailed 105 !
here's another...

jayPem

And a 105a for good measure