Artificial pull-away toning

messydesk

There's some conventional wisdom that toned coins showing "pull-away" toning, or crisp voids in the toning between peripheral lettering that have the appearance of shadows, are always naturally toned. This coin has pull-away toning that is blotchy and doesn't make sense. It was bounced, presumably as AT (no-grade in a bulk order). Does this look like an attempt to fake the pull-away toning effect? I assume a doctor would apply glue in the spots they wanted pull-away toning before baking.

lasvegasteddy

comical attempt by someone there

relicsncoins

Pull away toning usually pulls away in the same direction. That "pull away" is all over the place.

CuKevin

I wouldn't classify that as "pull away toning".

Something appears to be going on around her chin and lips also.

Ablinky

I agree with Kevin about the issues in the chin area. To me, this coin sets off way too many red flags to ever straight grade at a TPG.

messydesk

I agree that there is some nastiness at the chin area, and the coin was probably ATed to cover this up, and before ATing it, there was an attempt (albeit feeble) to reproduce pull-away toning.

Stuart

John,

Thanks for sharing this coin that has apparently been "wiped" in the chin area, and which also exhibits an apparent clumsy and feeble attempt at simulating pull-apart toning.

Christos

Those "pull away" areas could have actually been air bubbles trapped by the devices when a sulfur jewelry metal toning gel was used. I have seen this before on AT coins and jewelry. No heat is needed to make a coin look like this.

Edit to add: It looks like some work was done on the chin and cheek area especially at the hair line to remove some scratches. The TPG most likely did not address this because of the AT. That would be a good coin to make into a double sidded ring being the surfaces are already damaged.

CoinJunkie

Pull-away toning? More like "pull a fast one" toning...

roadrunner

I recall years ago one of the top gun graders instructing me that there are passable AT examples of "pull away" toning out there. Since then I've never considered PAT to be fool proof. Though I can't say I've run across a bust, seated, or Barber coin with PAT that was actually verified as AT'd.

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lkeigwin

I don't think that's intentional pull away toning. It's incidental/accidental.
Lance.

Kyle

In my opinion, the "pull away toning" was caused by a chemical residue left on the surface of the coin.

coindeuce

That toning was created by "fogging" the coin with a high sulphur content vapor, in a fashion similar to how a graphic artist would use an airbrush.

CoinJunkie

<< <i>PCGS called this Morgan AT and it exhibits pull-away toning. >>


That appears to be a coin that had legitimate pull-away toning that was then overlaid with some AT.
The fact that the pull-away areas aren't silver anymore is the red flag, IMO.

OldIndianNutKase

There may be "conventional" wisdom that "pull away" toning is natural, but I think it to be improbable. Even if it were natural, it seriously detracts from naturally toned coins that may have it. To me, it is the carbon spots of toning. The coin posted by the OP looks more like a coin doctor cadaver, a learning piece. The abraded area around the chin looks like it was done with a grinder. If NT, the toning would not have the appearance of being later removed. I would conclude that the coin looks 50% NT and 50% AT. It should be a .91 Questionable Color.

OINK