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Did PCGS pull the new hologram???***update

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
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...this is about the 5th time I've seen this and all from different sellers? If it's already been discussed here let me know and I'll delete, but wondering if this is the result of bulk submissions or leftover inventory...or the docks being closed in So-Cal for the last 6 weeks due to union strike threats or...I suppose anything really to help me understand why the old holograms are being used again?

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Erik

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen this, too. Good question.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've only seen the new holders with the new hologram on the 40 or so coins returned from grading in the last two weeks.
    Lance.
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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a feeling that it may be bulk submissions that get the old one due to cost maybe? Just pure speculation image
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭
    Some foreign dealer had these old holograms on the new holders. Perhaps the London office is using them.
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just got 5 coins back today with the new hologram label.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if there is still a problem with the new holograms peeling up?

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the "old hologram" on the "new label" is a transition holder. I have seen a few US and more than a few world coins in these holders. It's just a guess as I don't know for sure.
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just got 5 coins back today with the new hologram label.

    GrandAm image >>



    ...I'm guessing they're still on the outside of the slab...image
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  • OGDanOGDan Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've actually never had a world/secure plus submission come back with the new hologram since the announcement. So far all of them have come back with the old hologram. It feels like a policy.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭✭


    GrandAm - yours were these?
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to my confusion

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    I received my 225th Commem and 50th Kennedy silver coins back today

    All the 225th, including the gold, had the traditional style whitish rectangle holo.

    All the 50th Kennedy silver coins had the in question, new DuPont IKON square holo. (Mr. Explicit says: "yes, the one I posted in the animated gif above")


    I'd have thought the gold would have garnered the new square holo, too. I guess they want to keep things the same for the set?

    I hope they keep using the dupont as I prefer them. when I start to re-sub through secure plus, I hope to see them on my slabs.


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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got some today that seem to be a newer version - I do not see the dots but other things, including what I suspect is a unique code that is tied to the specific coin.
  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...interesting that I finally purchased one on these...a Morgan with a cert#316*****, with new label as shown in my OP (with old hologram). The coin has a CAC sticker...but the funny thing is that it also has the OLD STYLE PLASTIC. It's all good by me cause she was going in anyways for re-holder and TV. But now I am pretty sure this has to be a bulk submission thing or something as it is obviously a genuine deal I have in hand right now image

    I am not butthurt by any means (as I am 100% confident the coin is a real PCGS holdered coin)...I suppose I would be a tad upset if I sent a coin in today and received this type of set-up tomorrow though...so what really is going on here???

    edit: for spelling...aaaand thank you very much Mr. Jose Cuervo!
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,554 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>GrandAm - yours were these?
    image >>



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    Yes, it was the above label but I got another back more recently that had the older circular label. image

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    GrandAm :)
  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS Hologram new or old doesn't bother me any....but the old style non-scratch resistant plastic still being used without an explanation...bothers me a bit I suppose.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS Hologram new or old doesn't bother me any....but the old style non-scratch resistant plastic still being used without an explanation...bothers me a bit I suppose. >>

    It would bother me enough to send it back. The new plastic is not just scratch resistant. It is clearer (less blue) and has much better optics. Makes a big difference with photography.

    You'd probably have to make some noise for PCGS to fix it for free. I don't think they'd see anything wrong with what you have.
    Lance.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the idea was to get the new hologram to be the wanted holder to have?

    More security of the product.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are still using the old shells with bulk orders. I was assuming it was until supplies have been exhausted, but I suppose they could be stocking both types of shells if there's a significant cost difference. I had a bulk order or Morgans (#31618xxx) recently come back in these a few weeks ago.
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a few of the new holograms, but this is the first noticing the different amount of "holes" (for lack of a better term) on the different angles.
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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All of my last submission that I got a week ago had the new hologram on them.
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The new, clear holders look way better in my opinion!

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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK....so now it is all but confirmed by our host that bulk submissions still use the old hologram and old plastic. Like I said before, I have zero skin n in the game cause I send all my coins that I buy already in PCGS plastic in for re-holder and TrueView........but, I will go ahead and give my assessment of the situation.

    First, this deal undermines the newly added security of the new hologram, considering that the market will still be flooded with the old hologram with new cert#'s. Second, just like in a poker game, it will now be easy for an experienced collector to tell wether or not a coin on the market has been submitted in bulk. Third, as soon as the bulk submitter sells off its inventory, the coin will still be tarnished IMHO by anyone else who sells it later on. In all fairness to our host, the only coin I have bought in this fashion was stickered by CAC so it shouldn't be a big deal (in regards to the bulk submission grading conspiracy theorists)......but I feel it will be down the road.

    Who am I to make a suggestion??? I don't know really but I still will. PCGS, maybe explain somewhere that bulk submissions will be using the old hologram and old plastic so that future buyers won't be reluctant to pull the trigger on a Newp at auction....without fear of any counterfeit questions. I really don't want to make a stink about it but I guess I already did. If the thread gets poofed I will not mention it again, but I speak from the collectors standpoint....and also the dealers, as they should not have to fear their potential clients wondering why their coins don't have all the new cool added upgrades to your slabs image
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...I'm still wondering why the holograms aren't put on the lnside of the slabs...image
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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...I'm still wondering why the holograms aren't put on the lnside of the slabs...image >>



    Many questions about that as well, but one concern I've read about is not knowing what atmospheric affect might occur if the hologram were sealed in with the coin. Be interesting to see how it all shakes out. image
  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>...I'm still wondering why the holograms aren't put on the lnside of the slabs...image >>



    Many questions about that as well, but one concern I've read about is not knowing what atmospheric affect might occur if the hologram were sealed in with the coin. Be interesting to see how it all shakes out. image >>




    The hologram wouldn't be sealed in with the coin - the label itself is sealed off from the coin. In any case, it just delays the time until the sticker is counterfeited. What would be the perfect deterrent would be to TRUEVIEW every coin that's graded. It would force counterfeiters to perfectly replicate every mark, strike and color of the coin instead of the plastic.
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  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe because they already have the holograms with the adhesive on the bottom

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  • dbcoindbcoin Posts: 2,200 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>...I'm still wondering why the holograms aren't put on the lnside of the slabs...image >>



    Many questions about that as well, but one concern I've read about is not knowing what atmospheric affect might occur if the hologram were sealed in with the coin. Be interesting to see how it all shakes out. image >>




    The hologram wouldn't be sealed in with the coin - the label itself is sealed off from the coin. In any case, it just delays the time until the sticker is counterfeited. What would be the perfect deterrent would be to TRUEVIEW every coin that's graded. It would force counterfeiters to perfectly replicate every mark, strike and color of the coin instead of the plastic. >>



    bulk is typically Modern stuff. Not always, but mostly. Trueview of Modern makes no sense as they all look the same.

    There is a cost to the sticker. Bulk submissions are low cost, hence they save the sticker cost.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...I'm still wondering why the holograms aren't put on the lnside of the slabs...image >>



    Just figured that was too logical. Still waiting on a sealed slab.



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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a feeling that it may be bulk submissions that get the old one due to cost maybe? Just pure speculation image >>



    Bingo. As of last week, my last bulk shipment all still had Non-Logo slabs.
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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I have a feeling that it may be bulk submissions that get the old one due to cost maybe? Just pure speculation image >>



    Bingo. As of last week, my last bulk shipment all still had Non-Logo slabs. >>



    ...I love it when my "just pure speculation" gets all but confirmed image

    I never would have thought that the old plastic would have been used as well though...seems a bit classless coming from the classiest TPG in existence IMHO. PCGS should let you dealers know in advance that bulk submissions will not have the new hologram or the new (AWESOME) scratch-resistance plastic...again IMHO image

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