I will pay $250...
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...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA.
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bob
<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Best I can do right now as I don't think they exist. This one has that little drill mark also.
<< <i>Don't you think that offer's a little low?
You're upping the ante ?
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Interpreted 100% literally, you're asking for unobtanium. Philly trade dollars have no mm....therefore, they don't have a mm area either.
Is that $250 in face value of Trade Dollars?
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Interpreted 100% literally, you're asking for unobtanium. Philly trade dollars have no mm....therefore, they don't have a mm area either. >>
Actually, I think you're jumping the shark here. The idea is for the OP to be able to confirm that the coin is NOT from San Francisco or Carson City. In the case where chopmarks have obliterated the standard mintmark location, are YOU qualified to declare with certainty that such a Trade Dollar never had a mintmark ? I doubt it. Maybe with an extensive detailed study of such a coin, one might be able to cite other die markers that would be unique to 1875 Philly coins. The number of numismatists in the world presently capable of that could be counted on one hand.
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Interpreted 100% literally, you're asking for unobtanium. Philly trade dollars have no mm....therefore, they don't have a mm area either. >>
Actually, I think you're jumping the shark here. The idea is for the OP to be able to confirm that the coin is NOT from San Francisco or Carson City. In the case where chopmarks have obliterated the standard mintmark location, are YOU qualified to declare with certainty that such a Trade Dollar never had a mintmark ? I doubt it. Maybe with an extensive detailed study of such a coin, one might be able to cite other die markers that would be unique to 1875 Philly coins. The number of numismatists in the world presently capable of that could be counted on one hand.
So he's a cad!
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
With only two known die marriages for 1875p trade dollars, these aren't all that tough to authenticate even with extensive damage from the chopmarks. I have studied maybe half a dozen PCGS holdered coins labeled 1875 P chopmarked trade dollars and not a single one was actually a Philly coin. Either the date positions did not match and/or other die markers such as cracks or scratches were wrong.
I support TDN in having him pay $250 to produce a real example.
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Best I can do right now as I don't think they exist. This one has that little drill mark also.
That is the rose coin and part of the number one rated chop mark collection, how on earth did you ever find it and do you really think TDN doesn't know about it? Also it has damage to the MM area and it isn't a true P mint coin (sorry David).
I have seen a few of these and even made one and none are legit as far as I am concerned including the one I made. OriginalDan is a little off as there are 3 Obv dies of the 75p and not 2 but he is spot on that all three are easy to identify by markers despite damage.
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<< <i>...just to see in hand a genuine 1875 chopmarked Philly coin WITH NO CHOPS OR DAMAGE IN THE MINTMARK AREA. >>
Best I can do right now as I don't think they exist. This one has that little drill mark also.
That is the rose coin and part of the number one ranted chop mark collection, how on earth did you ever find it and do you really think TDN doesn't know about it? Also it has damage to the MM area and it isn't a true P mint coin (sorry David).
I have seen a few of these and even made one and none are legit as far as I am concerned including the one I made. OriginalDan is a little off as there are 3 Obv dies of the 75p and not 2 but he is spot on that all three are easy to identify by markers dispite damage. >>
I easily found it as it is in coinfacts as one of the images for the 75-P Trade Dollars, I am surprised you don't know that. So this coin also is not a true 75-P, then PCGS should pull the image and cert as I know you would not state an incorrect fact about Trade Dollars even if you were being an a**.
<< <i>So TDN or cryto if no 75-P chops exist what is the reasoning for them not being exported to China when other mint location Trade Dollars were exported? >>
West coast mint coins were much more often used for trade with Asia simply because of relative geographic proximity.
I don't think the assertion is that no 75 Philadelphia coins were sent over; rather, that so few were sent that none can be found after so many years have elapsed. The ravages of time can be very unkind to coins, especially when you consider that China was invaded (twice, during that period) and then they had the civil war.
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<< <i>....Actually, I think you're jumping the shark here. The idea is for the OP to be able to confirm that the coin is NOT from San Francisco or Carson City. In the case where chopmarks have obliterated the standard mintmark location, are YOU qualified to declare with certainty that such a Trade Dollar never had a mintmark ? I doubt it. Maybe with an extensive detailed study of such a coin, one might be able to cite other die markers that would be unique to 1875 Philly coins. The number of numismatists in the world presently capable of that could be counted on one hand.
Don't know trade dollars very well, but the seated dimes and quarters have reed count variations that would definitively rule out particular mints on specific dates. For instance on 1875 quarters the S and P mint reeding are different. The 75 cc is another story though.
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<< <i>So TDN or cryto if no 75-P chops exist what is the reasoning for them not being exported to China when other mint location Trade Dollars were exported? >>
West coast mint coins were much more often used for trade with Asia simply because of relative geographic proximity.
I don't think the assertion is that no 75 Philadelphia coins were sent over; rather, that so few were sent that none can be found after so many years have elapsed. The ravages of time can be very unkind to coins, especially when you consider that China was invaded (twice, during that period) and then they had the civil war. >>
Also they were not demonetized quite yet so they could have been used for domestic orders. One must remember that the output of the Philly mint was very low in 75 and many series have rarities during that year?
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<< <i>So TDN or cryto if no 75-P chops exist what is the reasoning for them not being exported to China when other mint location Trade Dollars were exported? >>
West coast mint coins were much more often used for trade with Asia simply because of relative geographic proximity.
I don't think the assertion is that no 75 Philadelphia coins were sent over; rather, that so few were sent that none can be found after so many years have elapsed. The ravages of time can be very unkind to coins, especially when you consider that China was invaded (twice, during that period) and then they had the civil war. >>
Also they were not demonetized quite yet so they could have been used for domestic orders. One must remember that the output of the Philly mint was very low in 75 and many series have rarities during that year? >>
Thank you for the info crypto, it sure gives something to think about considering the number of TDs with chops being sold on the bay with the other mint marks. I do appreciate your knowledge just not your snarkyness
<< <i>OriginalDan is a little off as there are 3 Obv dies of the 75p and not 2 but he is spot on that all three are easy to identify by markers despite damage. >>
You're right. I blame lack of sleep.
The coinfacts coin shown is a type 1/1 with only a single die marriage of that type for 75p. The coinfacts image shows a 75-S coin with damage in the MM area. Really too bad since that is a special coin coming from the Rose collection.
EVP
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<< <i>A 75P TD chopped might be the *only* coin in this series, chopped or not, where the number of specimens is less than the number of collectors who are seriously looking to acquire one.
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I think the 76S DDO falls under that category as well. Other varieties? Probably not.
Bruce
Obviously I'm correct, so I'll contact you over at the OFR as to where you can send the check and the additional huge bonus bux for uncovering your nefarious scheme.
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<< <i>A 75P TD chopped might be the *only* coin in this series, chopped or not, where the number of specimens is less than the number of collectors who are seriously looking to acquire one.
EVP >>
I think the 76S DDO falls under that category as well. Other varieties? Probably not. >>
How many estimated specimens extant of the 76S DDO? How many folks do you think is seriously in the market for one? (Don't count me, anymore, as being seriously interested.) You can include folks who already have one, because if they didn't, then they'd be in the market for one.
EVP
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<< <i>A 75P TD chopped might be the *only* coin in this series, chopped or not, where the number of specimens is less than the number of collectors who are seriously looking to acquire one.
EVP >>
I think the 76S DDO falls under that category as well. Other varieties? Probably not. >>
How many estimated specimens extant of the 76S DDO? How many folks do you think is seriously in the market for one? (Don't count me, anymore, as being seriously interested.) You can include folks who already have one, because if they didn't, then they'd be in the market for one.
EVP >>
12 or 13, I forget the exact count. I can think of a few people off the top of my head who don't currently own an example and would be seriously in the market for one if one came up. By your construction my claim is correct.
<< <i>I just sold both of mine >>
Cool.
I am skeptical that there are a dozen or so people willing to spend moon money for one. If I had an opportunity to get a wholesome example of a 76S DDO for not quite crazy money, I just might consider it because I would consider it good value. But otherwise, I do not consider myself a serious chaser of this variety.
EVP
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<< <i>Stealer - I think your idea of being seriously interested differs from mine. When I am seriously interested in a coin, I will chase it until very serious money (relative to the type) is involved. I will do nearly everything I can to obtain it.
I am skeptical that there are a dozen or so people willing to spend moon money for one. If I had an opportunity to get a wholesome example of a 76S DDO for not quite crazy money, I just might consider it because I would consider it good value. But otherwise, I do not consider myself a serious chaser of this variety.
EVP >>
I would pay 10k for a choice graded AU 76s DDO and to be honest I wouldn't expect to win it at that price if in a public auction.
<< <i>Stealer - I think your idea of being seriously interested differs from mine. When I am seriously interested in a coin, I will chase it until very serious money (relative to the type) is involved. I will do nearly everything I can to obtain it.
I am skeptical that there are a dozen or so people willing to spend moon money for one. If I had an opportunity to get a wholesome example of a 76S DDO for not quite crazy money, I just might consider it because I would consider it good value. But otherwise, I do not consider myself a serious chaser of this variety.
EVP >>
Ah, the changing parameters question. Those are always difficult to solve.
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<< <i>Stealer - I think your idea of being seriously interested differs from mine. When I am seriously interested in a coin, I will chase it until very serious money (relative to the type) is involved. I will do nearly everything I can to obtain it.
I am skeptical that there are a dozen or so people willing to spend moon money for one. If I had an opportunity to get a wholesome example of a 76S DDO for not quite crazy money, I just might consider it because I would consider it good value. But otherwise, I do not consider myself a serious chaser of this variety.
EVP >>
Ah, the changing parameters question. Those are always difficult to solve. >>
Apologies. I didn't mean to be difficult. I think we can both agree that the 76S DDO is highly desirable AND this series can use more appreciation from folks other than type collectors.
EVP
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<< <i>Stealer - I think your idea of being seriously interested differs from mine. When I am seriously interested in a coin, I will chase it until very serious money (relative to the type) is involved. I will do nearly everything I can to obtain it.
I am skeptical that there are a dozen or so people willing to spend moon money for one. If I had an opportunity to get a wholesome example of a 76S DDO for not quite crazy money, I just might consider it because I would consider it good value. But otherwise, I do not consider myself a serious chaser of this variety.
EVP >>
Ah, the changing parameters question. Those are always difficult to solve. >>
Apologies. I didn't mean to be difficult. I think we can both agree that the 76S DDO is highly desirable AND this series can use more appreciation from folks other than type collectors.
EVP >>
EVP, it was a jest