1812 Bust Half Single Leaf?

coin22lover

I'm thinking it is...no joke. Anyone agree?

jayPem

It'll be interesting to see how this get's sorted out
So, even if it turns out to be a single leaf through some other diagnostics than...do you think there would be any value to a "single leaf' variety when the leaves are entirely worn away...?

coin22lover

<< <i>do you think there would be any value to a "single leaf' variety when the leaves are entirely worn away...? >>



Maybe...if not, I'll toss it in my lowball collection

And I actually do think there are other diagnostics. I'm going to wait to see if anyone else sees what I do.

maibockaddict

Even if it truly was once a single leaf, there is no way to get someone to pay extra for it...

mozin

You could always send it off under Economy. Wouldn't it be great if PCGS contacted you to say you needed to pay for the more expensive grading category?

maibockaddict

Even if it truly was once a single leaf, there is no way to get someone to pay extra for it...

yosclimber

From:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=560730&STARTPAGE=2

O-110 (mozin)


O-110a (edmerlr)


O-110b (edmerlr)


O-110b (zap1111, from a different thread)


O-110* (coin22lover)

Possible diagnostics for O-110b:
1. top 2 arrow shafts missing between arrowheads and claw
2. top of motto ribbon above E PL not raised much above field
3. missing lower outline of olive stem (see post below by jayPem)

maibockaddict

How did my original message get reproduced 11minutes later?

jayPem

You know, you may just have it !
The arrow shafts are clearly seperated by lapping, not wear....and the end of the olive branch is also clearly missing in just the same way.
There is alot of wear in those areas, but those two seperate diagnostics are very visible.

Without the leaf itself visible though, would it really be confirmably the b state ?
I'd guess yes, if it's established that the lapping that removed the leaf, the end of the olive stem, and seperated the arrows was all done at once... in other words, are there any known intermediate die state examples between a and b ?

Really cool post 22 !

BustHalfBrian

There's a lot more missing than just a leaf.

It's fun to speculate that it's the 110b, but the coin is simply too worn to be sure. It appears to be a LDS, so it very well could be 110b, but it could also just as easily be 110a. The lapping at the arrow shafts is indicative of 110b, but one could argue that this area has coincidentally been impaired post-mint.

Like I said, you can surmise all you want and enjoy it as if it were the 'real deal', but there's just no way the coin would ever get the attribution from PCGS.

jayPem

link Here's an intermediate die state perhaps...hard to tell, but looks like the arrows, olive branch end, and the extra leaf have all been lapped into the b state ?

I think this may have been a super amazing score, but that really depends (like the OP coin) where the line is officially drawn between the a and b states.
I'd bet this coin ( and the OP coin ) would both be considered 110b, at least as defined by the 3rd edition.
I wonder if this anacs 110a has been cracked and reattributed, or is it maybe still out there somewhere ?

zap1111

I'm on the road, so I can't get at my coin or resources, but based on what I see, I think you have it. Well done! When I found mine, some of the BHNC members chimed in stating that there are probably around 25 known - maybe 26 now! It might be disappointing that it is the "no-leaf" variety, but I'm willing to bet that it is the single-leaf variety. I think the 110a doesn't have the extensive lapping the the b state exhibits (and that your coin exhibits). Thanks for sharing the coin, and welcome to the club.

zap

zap1111

Compare the length of the lapped shaft of the top arrow on the 110a linked above to the 110b examples shown and you'll see that the 22 coin has the much shorter shaft - the b shaft length.
zap

coin22lover

I, for one, can't find a single O-110a with the lapped away arrow shafts. I've searched and searched; but, every single leaf is that way.

jayPem

I think you are right and I think you need to submit it for variety grading.
Maybe explain why you are convinced it's the single leafer and see what happens. ..

Those diagnostics are super clear to me, I think it has a chance

coin22lover

<< <i>I think you are right and I think you need to submit it for variety grading.
Maybe explain why you are convinced it's the single leafer and see what happens. ..

Those diagnostics are super clear to me, I think it has a chance >>



I might have to do that. Do the attributors actually read the "comments" section?

How many of these are known now, anyone?