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RB 1901 IHP purchase MS???

coffeycecoffeyce Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
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Here's one I just got today what's my chance at MS 63? im thinking color RB Ive just started collecting the series as ive always liked IHP any ideas would be great

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭
    That coins has zero chance at grading. The coin has been cleaned or treated with acid.

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671 ✭
    Pretty cent but a little grainy. These are one of the best series ever.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    That coin has been chemically treated, I would try and get my money back if I were you.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    Also it was an AU before it got exposed to heat and what ever, worth about 1$
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That coin has been chemically treated, I would try and get my money back if I were you. >>


    ^^^ this^^^
    GET MONEY BACK !!!!!!!!
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>^^^ this^^^
    GET MONEY BACK !!!!!!!! >>




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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't like it.
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  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 626 ✭✭✭
    I agree with many of the above comments, nothing about that coin (surfaces wise) is original.

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • AblinkyAblinky Posts: 626 ✭✭✭
    I agree with many of the above comments, that coin has been played with.

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,390 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The chance of MS63 is the same chance as it getting in a graded PCGS holder ... zero.

    If you thought that coin was original it is time to put away your wallet and not purchase another coin until you can spot altered surfaces.

    Try to get your money back.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a naturally occurring color for a post 1864 Indian cent. It's got no red and no brown. Time to find a different dealer. Then spend some hours on line looking at PCGS/NGC Red/RB slabbed MS Indian cents.

    Probably every one of us has made this same mistake some time in our past.

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  • Deerefan8420Deerefan8420 Posts: 66
    Looks like Great Southern Coin got a hold of this one before you. They are well known for selling raw, problem coins. I also agree with the others. Send this coin back and get a refund!!
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As other wrote, that coin has zero chance of grading. Burn the image of its color into your brain---this is the color of a copper coin that has been recently treated with something acidic. The color is unnatural, and also note how the surfaces look. Instead of being reasonably smooth, as expected of a nice coin from the early 20th century, they are granular (due to metal loss by acid etching).

    Go to the Eagle Eye website and look at lots of images of the Indian Head cents before making another purchase.
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  • bcdeluxebcdeluxe Posts: 209 ✭✭✭
    It appears as though the auction ended today (the 4th). Either don't pay or immediately cancel the transaction to save on shipping.

    They offer returns so you can return it. As others have noted, the surfaces look totally unnatural. I have and still make mistakes trying to guess at images, especially on ebay, but this one is not questionable.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a problem coin. GSC is a problem seller. Their ebay numbers are good because they are reliable about returns. Do it.
    Lance.
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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will refrain from piping on as everyone that has already posted has given you good advice. But keep the faith in the IHC series as it is very rewarding and there are many beautiful toned examples. Raw IHC's that are red have a high probability of grading .91 Questionable Color. If you want to collect red coins buy them certified.

    OINK
  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks whizzed or something. I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

    If you haven't yet locked in the purchase, I'd suggest rethinking (depending on how much it's costing you). Of course that is just my personal opinion.
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Was it advertised as original? It is pretty harshly cleaned.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I completely agree that this is not an original coin at all. What follows is one thing I learned here from others that knew and know much more than I do: Certain Ebay sellers are best left alone.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like everyone else has said.....return it. It has been messed with.
    Heck, cancel it before it is shipped, if you can.

    The seller is well known, and not in a positive way. NEVER buy raw from them, particularly if you don't know the series or what you are doing.

    For the price you paid, you could have gotten a nice example of a 1901 IHC.

    Heck, if you want a MS 1901 IHC, I have one that hasn't been messed with (to my knowledge). It's mostly BN and not RB, but it is a very nice example, and I would let it go for noticeably less than what you paid.


    Btw....editing the photo to remove the "GSC" name and logo was just wasted time image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • coffeycecoffeyce Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    first Id like to say thank you for all the comments it helps and it the main reason I joined the forum years ago.

    As it is obvious I don't have the needed experience to judge coins yet from pictures but am trying to learn

    Yes the coin was not described at been cleaned dipped or damaged.

    The coin wasn't that expensive as I don't take big risk for anything not graded by PCGS ANACS ECT

    Lastly, 291 fifth-- If you have nothing to say without a sarcastic snide response please don't bother commenting on anything I post. Im hear to learn and enjoy the hobby not everyone has the know it all knowledge you have obviously.
  • Deerefan8420Deerefan8420 Posts: 66


    << <i>Lastly, 291 fifth-- If you have nothing to say without a sarcastic snide response please don't bother commenting on anything I post. Im hear to learn and enjoy the hobby not everyone has the know it all knowledge you have obviously. >>



    I didn't find his comment to be too snide or sarcastic, but rather, brutally honest. Sure, the poster could have sugar coated it a bit more, but then he'd actually be doing you a disservice. Sometimes brutally honest answers are the ones that stick with us and remind us what to look for when making a purchase. I've remembered several brutally honest answers/responses I've received to posed questions over the years when deciding on a coin purchase. It may hurt the feelings a bit, but in the end, I'd take the brutal honesty over anything sugar coated.
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  • coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    AU details altered surfaces.
  • coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭


    << <i>Lastly, 291 fifth-- If you have nothing to say without a sarcastic snide response please don't bother commenting on anything I post. Im hear to learn and enjoy the hobby not everyone has the know it all knowledge you have obviously. >>



    He wan't being sarcastic or rude; he was being honest. The photos show a blatantly unoriginal coin, and if you cannot see this, then you should absolutely not purchase raw coins until you learn the differences. For now, you should stick to PCGS and NGC, and possibly CACed coins where there isn't an exorbitant premium to quality ratio.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,390 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>first Id like to say thank you for all the comments it helps and it the main reason I joined the forum years ago.

    As it is obvious I don't have the needed experience to judge coins yet from pictures but am trying to learn

    Yes the coin was not described at been cleaned dipped or damaged.

    The coin wasn't that expensive as I don't take big risk for anything not graded by PCGS ANACS ECT

    Lastly, 291 fifth-- If you have nothing to say without a sarcastic snide response please don't bother commenting on anything I post. Im hear to learn and enjoy the hobby not everyone has the know it all knowledge you have obviously. >>



    I'm trying to keep you from wasting your money. Sorry if I am blunt but I've seen too many collectors (including myself) get taken over the years.
    All glory is fleeting.

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