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Authentic Jordan rookie? its home and graded!

I got this a few years back in a lot of cards. I always wondered if it was real? Any help?

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  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
    Looks legit from just the scans. Can't say for certain without seeing it in person. I'd send it in to Psa.
  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    All the tell tale signs say it's real!
  • KendallCatKendallCat Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You are good. Three key things to look for:

    Color difference in the Fleer premiere logo - needs to be two different shades of yellow

    Decimal point in the scoring average between the 27 and the 2

    Bull logo on back should have separation clearly defined especially in the eyes.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    I will be thrilled if it's real. Someone had a lot of 86 nba listed on eBay a few years back. A buy it n&w for $12. They were all rubber banded together. This was in the middle. I forgot about it until now. I figured it was worth a shot! Nathan's guys. I know it's not perfect, but it's still a Jordan.
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Something about the image quality doesn't look right to me. Good luck when you send it in!
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    I never had anything graded.and I doubt I will be sending this in. Just asking opinions. I have no desire to sell it. Just glad to have it. I had a real Jordan rookie when I was younger. I hit a pole with my parents car and had to sell the card to pay for the damage. So this is nice to have. I worked in a baseball card shop when I was younger. And I knew how to spot a fake then. But that was 25 years ago. I am sure new fakes have made it out since then image.

    Thanks for the help everyone.
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  • 27.2 is the dead giveaway here, as others said, you are good.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Thank you everyone for your expertise!
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>27.2 is the dead giveaway here, as others said, you are good. >>



    Not necessarily so. 27.2 is ONE way to spot a fake. However, some fakes have mastered the period, so unfortunately, that is not a foolproof way to spot a fake.
  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>27.2 is the dead giveaway here, as others said, you are good. >>



    Not necessarily so. 27.2 is ONE way to spot a fake. However, some fakes have mastered the period, so unfortunately, that is not a foolproof way to spot a fake. >>



    That's definitely true, but from the scan provided the card has passed the other 4 tests also.

    1) fleer banner yellow and gold
    2) bulls eyes are white (not fully colored in)
    3) the basketball on reverse has lines showing through it (not fully colored in)
    4) front registration isn't all foggy and snowy

    If it is in fact a counterfeit, it is one hell of a counterfeit!

    If the op is interested, here is the listing number to a counterfeit Jordan on ebay. 111581345571
    Besides the banner being two different colors, the registration is one of the easiest ways to tell a counterfeit Jordan rookie.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Why does the image look 'xeroxed' then? The image should be crisp and bright - not look like a photocopy. The net should be crisp, not all blurry and fuzzy.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Maybe it's just my pic? I took it with my iPad.
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  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Why does the image look 'xeroxed' then? The image should be crisp and bright - not look like a photocopy. The net should be crisp, not all blurry and fuzzy. >>



    bought in a lot few years ago, sounds like from someone who didn't necessarily know what they had, why would anyone take this card and counterfeit it and then bust up the corners and damage it like that?

    really? you're skeptical of THIS CARD? Come on, man!
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>really? you're skeptical of THIS CARD? Come on, man! >>



    Even in "roughed" up shape, the card is still worth several hundred dollars ($400-$500 to be exact).

    Forgive me for my ignorance - this is only one of the most faked cards on the market!! ROTFLMAO!
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    On a side note, I went to an auction many years ago. There were some cards bundled up. Low and behold, who did you find in the middle but a 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth card. Yes, the card was tucked away in the middle. Two "professionals" bid the lot up - cheap by authentic Babe Ruth standards, but expensive if the card was a worthless fake. What do you think the outcome of their "hidden gem" was??? If you are guessing "worthless fake" and the winning "expert" lost almost $1,000, then you would be right.

    Not knocking the OP whatsoever. I hope for his sake it is real. But when you are dealing with one of the most faked cards in the hobby, the best way to get piece of mind is to send it in. The OP states he has no desire to do that, and that is cool. However, to quote Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars, "Just because you had the item in your collection a long time doesn't make it real".
  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    Lol I love pawn stars. I remember the episode where that guy brought in like 5 mint 67 topps Pete rose cards and they told him they were fake...that guy was PISSED!!
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Guys, I appreciate everyone's advise and opinion. I am a card collector just for the cards. Condition isn't a big deal, although I want authentic. I took a gamble on this because it was $12 for a bunch of 86 fleer basketball and why not. I sold the other cards right away. Minot the Jordan and just forgot about it. I was looking for something else the other day and this was in the box.

    I am not against grading by any means. Actually I like yo buy Psa 1s of vintage rookies. But I never sent anything in personally. Maybe I will finally take that leap!
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  • 80sOPC80sOPC Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>On a side note, I went to an auction many years ago. There were some cards bundled up. Low and behold, who did you find in the middle but a 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth card. Yes, the card was tucked away in the middle. Two "professionals" bid the lot up - cheap by authentic Babe Ruth standards, but expensive if the card was a worthless fake. What do you think the outcome of their "hidden gem" was??? If you are guessing "worthless fake" and the winning "expert" lost almost $1,000, then you would be right.

    Not knocking the OP whatsoever. I hope for his sake it is real. But when you are dealing with one of the most faked cards in the hobby, the best way to get piece of mind is to send it in. The OP states he has no desire to do that, and that is cool. However, to quote Rick Harrison from Pawn Stars, "Just because you had the item in your collection a long time doesn't make it real". >>



    Good story but the OP's card is a Jordan, not a Ruth and went in a lot undisclosed for 12 bucks. Would be strange to counterfeit a card, bang it up and then bury it in a 12 dollar lot without telling anyone. Not the best get rich quick plan.
  • mattyc_collectionmattyc_collection Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Faking it to pull off the heist of the century at $12 doesn't seem plausible.

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I understand what everyone is saying. However, just because a card is "hidden", and no matter what the lot sold for doesn't make it real. A good lawyer would have a field day with that!! Bottom line, the only way to determine if one of the most faked cards in the card collecting community is real is to send it in. I, as I am sure others around here can attest as well, have seen some pretty good fakes. I once received a Patrick Ewing rookie from this set that wound up being fake. You would be surprised what cards are faked for the almighty dollar.
  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Faking it to pull off the heist of the century at $12 doesn't seem plausible. >>



    EXACTLY! Maybe I'll pay to send it in just to stop this silliness.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    I don't get what is silly? I was just asking opinions?
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  • Curch, don't worry, he was not talking about you.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>EXACTLY! Maybe I'll pay to send it in just to stop this silliness. >>



    Nothing silly. One of the most faked cards in history. I am willing to bet that more fake cards exist of this card than real ones. The only one worse than this one is the 1952 Topps Mantle. If you want to pay half the $50 it will cost to grade, then I will pony up the other half.
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe it's just my pic? I took it with my iPad. >>



    Take another pic and then take a pic of a common from the same set. That way we can tell whether your pic is blurry, or the card is blurry.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Oh, ok image. Because I didn't think it was silly. I don't own any other 86 basketball.

    And speaking of fakes, let's not forget about honus image
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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's real !!! image
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  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
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  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    I submitted this to PSA last night at the philly show. Said I should have it back in 2 to 3 weeks. I will post when it comes in.
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    I hope it comes back real, and if you auction it off please let me know because this is exactly the kind of Jordan I'm looking for. Best of luck!
  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    If you accept the details offered by the original poster , there is absolutely no chance this card is fake .

    Sounds like you got yourself a great deal !
    I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy!
    Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Thanks! I am waiting for the card to be delivered today from psa
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  • The card is graded but you're waiting to get it back in hand before checking to see if it's authentic? Strong play. Video record?
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Not only can't I wait to find out if the jordan is real, I appreciated the bump so I could go back and remember Bobby's personality. Sigh. Good times.
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
    I'll wager a guess.....PSA 3.5 because it's so nicely centered.
  • 3 ball, corner pocket
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    My educated guess is PSA 4. Maybe 4.5 with that centering.
  • JBrulesJBrules Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    3-3.5 at best.
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    I'm happy with authentic. Still didn't get here but it's out for delivery!
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  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
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  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    Nice score! image
  • I call my shots. Congrats!
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    Congrats! One of the nicest low grade Jordan rookies I've seen!
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
    Nice going. Looks great in the holder!
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    wow. they'll even squeeze you on a 3 to get it back for a point five bump.
  • JBrulesJBrules Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats on the Jordan. Looks great!!
  • curchcurch Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    Thanks again everyone for your help and comments!
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  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    Nice, congrats.

    I actually guessed a higher grade. Looks very solid for a 3 imo.
  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭
    Nice Score! Great looking 3.
    52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
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