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So where do you put Ripken among all-time shortstops
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Lets just say post war since Honus Wagner would most likely be #1 and he played in the dead ball era. My friends were debating this and I had him at #1. Not even taking into consideration his consecutive games played streak, but his hit and home run totals alone are extremely impressive for the demanding position as well as his defensive ability. I cannot have A-rod on the list since his numbers are just not legit. Forget about the teams they played for since Jeter went to the playoffs constantly and Ripken did not, but from just their regular season numbers and accomplishments, who would you have as your shortstop. If there are any others instead of these two please add them and please explain why.
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Banks didn't play long enough at short, but if he had, I'd have him ranked above Ripken.
If we're focusing on defense, Smith is also right up there.
I'd put Jeter at #3 all time for SS. He and Ripken are very close, overall, imo, but behind Wagner.
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1) jeter - playoffs and world series puts him over the top
2) ripken
3) banks
4) ozzie
yount and arod, not sure what position you would consider them
i know there are some larkin fans out there, but he is way behind these guys
1. Jeter
2. Wagner
3. Smith
4. Ripken
5. Banks
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The fact that Jeter is already listed as #1 on two people's list may be the saddest thing I've ever seen. Great player but c'mon, #1.
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1. Ripken
2. Banks
3. Jeter
4. Vaughan (The Jeter of his era)
5. Yount
If we're putting Arod in the mix and removing PEDs from the discussion, I'd have to put him first.
.307 BA, 20 HR, 59 RBI, 18 SB
Against what is going to be the best pitching staffs in baseball most years.....
To me that's just a huge thing to have to overlook.
<< <i>Post-Wagner, I'd go:
1. Ripken
2. Banks
3. Jeter
4. Vaughan (The Jeter of his era)
5. Yount
If we're putting Arod in the mix and removing PEDs from the discussion, I'd have to put him first. >>
Glad to see some love for Vaughan. I kept scrolling down, hoping to see his name, but you were the first to mention him. He is so often overlooked.
1. Cal Ripken
2. Robin Yount
3. Ozzie Smith
4. Alan Trammell
5. Derek Jeter
6. Barry Larkin
7. Pee Wee Reese
8. Luis Aparicio
9. Lou Boudreau
10. Nomar Garciapara
I feel that Trammell is one of the most under-rated shortstops of all time.
* Criteria: majority of career played post war & over 50% of career games played at SS. Banks & Rodriguez would be on the list but they played less than half of their career games at SS, Yount BARELY makes the cut with just under 52% of his games played at shortstop.
<< <i>Lets just say post war since Honus Wagner would most likely be #1 and he played in the dead ball era. My friends were debating this and I had him at #1. Not even taking into consideration his consecutive games played streak, but his hit and home run totals alone are extremely impressive for the demanding position as well as his defensive ability. I cannot have A-rod on the list since his numbers are just not legit. Forget about the teams they played for since Jeter went to the playoffs constantly and Ripken did not, but from just their regular season numbers and accomplishments, who would you have as your shortstop. If there are any others instead of these two please add them and please explain why. >>
All-Time, I like to look at it how I do my fantasy rankings and just put players into Tiers and anyone within a given Tier is largely interchangeable:
Tier 1: Wagner
Tier 2: Ripken
Tier 3 (alphabetically by last name): Appling, Boudreau, Cronin, Jeter, Larkin, Reese, Ozzie, Trammell, Vaughan, Yount
After that it's a significant drop-off to the Tier 4s. No active players taken into consideration.
<< <i>I thought we were only discussing shortstops in the post-war era. If we are including pre-war shortstops my list would be different. >>
Just cross the pre-war off my list, if preferred, and the tiers are roughly the same. Ripken by far and then there are arguments to be made on the exact ranking of the remainders in tier 3, but I'd be happy to have any of them as my SS. Anyone who puts Jeter above Ripken is deluding themselves, IMHO.
2. Smith
3. Yount
With Ripken by far and away at the top. (And the nicest guy to meet and take a picture with by the way)
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<< <i>Glad to see some love for Vaughan. I kept scrolling down, hoping to see his name, but you were the first to mention him. He is so often overlooked. >>
Agreed. Check out Arky's 162-game averages vs. Jeter's:
Vaughan: .318 BA, 9 HR, 83 RBI, 105 R, 11 SB, .406 OBP, .453 SLG %
Jeter: .310 BA, 15 HR, 77 RBI, 113 R, 21 SB, .377 OBP, .440 SLG %
<< <i>Wagner 1, Ripken 2, all time.
Banks didn't play long enough at short, but if he had, I'd have him ranked above Ripken.
If we're focusing on defense, Smith is also right up there.
I'd put Jeter at #3 all time for SS. He and Ripken are very close, overall, imo, but behind Wagner. >>
Ernie Banks played 1259 games at 1B and 1125 games at SS
That's about equal for how long he played especially since the last two years of
His career at first were as a player coach
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