submitting '89 Fleer Randy Johnson

ToadMan

I'm going to submit a couple of 89 Fleer Johnson with the Marlboro in the background. Does PSA tag it as what it is on the label or is this something that I need to do?
My other question is, I believe one has a tint to it but not 100% sure (my eyes aren't what they used to be). If they do the above, will they mark this one as tinted?
Thank you

Gemyanks10

If my memory serves me right, there was an older thread on here that discussed all the 1989 Fleer baseball errors/variations and corrections.
I haven't been able to find it in order to link it for you, but someone stated that there was upwards of 12-13 different Randy Johnson Marlboro cards all with different tints etc, and that PSA was only labeling (recognizing) 3 or 4 of them. I'll continue to look and try and find it for you, it was a very good thread.

ToadMan

I do remember seeing something like that, but don't remember it mentioning the PSA part, but thank you. I'll look for it again too.

dytch2220

Here are the variations, taken from an older thread here:

381A Randy Johnson VAR (has a red and white Marlboro billboard sign, complete with Marlboro man, above Randy's left shoulder, top right of card)
381B Randy Johnson VAR (still has the entire billboard visible, but is covered by a dark, reddish shading but still noticeable.)
381C Randy Johnson VAR (still has the sign visible, but there's a black line through the middle of the word Marlboro with the tops of all letters in Marlboro still clearly visible and, you can still tell the sign says Marlboro)
381D Randy Johnson VAR (Still shows the red and white of the sign, but there is a black blob where the word Marlboro once was, no longer showing tops of letters.)
381E Randy Johnson VAR (The Marlboro sign is completely gone, but a black rectangle, exactly in the shape of the Marlboro billboard but sticks out from the rest of the black background)
381E Randy Johnson VAR (the corrected version with no signs of the Marlboro ad.)

Here are the 4 potential PSA labels, taken from POP report:

Randy Johnson
Randy Johnson - Ad Completely Blacked Out
Randy Johnson - Ad Partially Obscured
Randy Johnson - Marlboro Ad on Scoreboard

dytch2220

This blog seems to catalog many, many more than 6 errors. I also found this in an older thread and is probably what you guys were thinking of.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/1989-fleer-randy-johnson-381-marlbroro-variations/

junkwaxgems

<< <i>This blog seems to catalog many, many more than 6 errors. I also found this in an older thread and is probably what you guys were thinking of.

https://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/1989-fleer-randy-johnson-381-marlbroro-variations/ >>



This is a few years old now and still the most accurate, however, there are definitely strong arguments on there being a few MORE variations to add. And I am not considering fish eyes and print dots, etc. But Fleer clearly mottled/shaded/darkened areas of the Marlboro lettering in a number of different ways in both the red and green tint versions. It's more a personal preference whether one collects them all but I find them distinct enough to consider as different variations. My blog post details the primary types you'll find.

It's also worth noting that still, to this day, another "Clear" sign version has not shown up. Currently a "1/1."

ToadMan

So when I submit the cards, do I need to say what the cards are or to they choose what to put on the label?

junkwaxgems

<< <i>So when I submit the cards, do I need to say what the cards are or to they choose what to put on the label? >>



You should find the category (I think PSA uses 3 or 4) that best describes it. PSA will refuse to grade any variations that appear too confusing to them. If they cannot easily reference it in a guide, they will reject the card entirely. So either you describe it in their parameters or don't note anything at all and let them classify it. If you opt for the latter, keep in mind that PSA does a terrible job discerning between "partially obscured" and "completely blacked out."