Explain the difference between the AU58 grade and MS60 to a new but energetic collector.

MGLICKER · January 16, 2015 7:23AM

If you please.

DollarAfterDollar · January 16, 2015 7:30AM

An Ms 60 coin by definition is strictly uncirculated but the lowest grade an uncirculated coin can be meaning it's bag marked to pieces and has very limited eye appeal, weak strike, etc.

An AU 58 coin displays some rub somewhere indicating handling however, may have much greater eye appeal, no bag marks, etc. It's just been circulated in just the slightest fashion.

roadrunner · January 16, 2015 7:31AM

Sure, just tell the "new and energetic" collector to PM me.

But just for you: An AU58 is the most attractive of worn coins, showing minimal wear, and desired by everyone. The MS60 is the ugliest of unworn coins, displaying obvious problem(s), and almost universally despised.

From an energy standpoint, collectors expend much of it looking for killer AU58's. But they are sluggish couch potatoes when it comes to looking for MS60 coins. The grading services do their best to rarely assign the MS60
coin to anything. They don't like the grade either. Call it a damaged or problem MS61/62 coin.

lasvegasteddy · January 16, 2015 7:34AM

au58 is commonly found on and reserved for 1884-S morgan dollars
ms60 is the dream those submitters had

MGLICKER · January 16, 2015 7:35AM

<< <i>Sure, just tell the "new and energetic" collector to PM me. >>

PM sent!

I mean I will tell the new collector to send a PM.

TopographicOceans · January 16, 2015 7:44AM

Friction rub

If coins are stored in 2x2 envelopes tightly in a box, they can rub against each other turning a MS into an AU

LindeDad · January 16, 2015 7:59AM

<<<---

Not a MS60. And not going to be upgraded as I don't want to spend MS64 money for something that would look as good.

DennisH · January 16, 2015 8:12AM

The difference between 58 and 60 is one of those things in life that truly has to be experienced in order to be fully learned and appreciated, because words alone really don't get the point across.

Kind of like the hot stove warning to little kids.

But I do feel comfortable in saying that the range of technical quality and eye appeal that can exist within the AU58 grade can often make you wonder why anyone would ever consider spending more to get an MS60... or an MS61 or 62, and sometimes even a 63. That range also differs between coin series.

EagleEye · January 16, 2015 8:45AM

AU58 is a goal to strive to, especially in an everyman set.

MS60 is a coin you settled for. It has no registry demand and is hardly ever given out.

Baley · January 16, 2015 8:46AM

two points

messydesk · January 16, 2015 8:53AM

MS60: Generally hideous, looking at first like it's seen better days, but technically not worn. Just barely not a problem coin.
AU58: Generally attractive, but technically it's worn. Just barely not an MS62 (or higher) coin.

No MS60 coin, if worn, would ever be called AU58. It would probably go straight to 53 (without passing GO! or collecting $200)

LindeDad · January 16, 2015 9:11AM

Actually a AU58 can cost more than $200 more than a MS60 in many cases. I sold some of mine for more than MS63's when I retired my Everyman sets.

leothelyon · January 16, 2015 9:19AM

Are you the new but energetic collector?

leothelyon · January 16, 2015 9:23AM

<< <i>AU58 is a goal to strive to, especially in an everyman set.

MS60 is a coin you settled for. It has no registry demand and is hardly ever given out. >>

Even though it has more damage and possibly the most affordable to a low income collector.

WTCG · January 16, 2015 10:46AM

MS60 is the lowest grade possible for a coin that bears no trace of circulation. Because MS60 is the lowest grade available, examples can have very negative eye appeal.

AU58 is the highest grade possible for a coin that bears evidence of circulation. As long as there is evidence of circulation this is the highest grade possible regardless of the eye appeal of the coin.

WTCG · January 16, 2015 10:47AM

MGLICKER · January 16, 2015 11:39AM

<< <i>Are you the new but energetic collector? >>

Neither new or energetic.

"""No MS60 coin, if worn, would ever be called AU58. It would probably go straight to 53""""

Interesting observation.

lkeigwin · January 16, 2015 11:59AM

Here is an AU58 coin delivered to me today.

You might argue it is not AU. If not, what MS grade would you assign? Nothing close to MS60.
Lance.

pakasmom · January 16, 2015 12:12PM

OMG, Lance!!

WoodenJefferson · January 16, 2015 12:23PM

AU-58 only exists with vintage copper and silver struck coins...modern clad coinage goes from MS-60 right to circulated junk.

Treashunt · January 16, 2015 8:39PM

The difference is wear

TireKicker · January 17, 2015 12:37AM

Lance,

Wow AU-58? Maybe I will show my ignorance in grading that series, but that coin looks like a 65 to me...at least a 64!!

I don't see any wear on that coin....

topstuf · January 17, 2015 12:44AM

I got ONE MS60 that was terrific. It was a capped bust $5 that I regret selling.
It was without ANY distracting marks.....except..... for a spot on her bangs that was just NOT STRUCK!
Shoot, the area was pure polished planchet. Mirrorlike. A weak strike on that area. Yes it was flat. But the flat was on the TOP of the curl. Where it simply never toucned a die.

But..... since then.... I don't think I've seen a 60 that I'd want.

COALPORTER · January 17, 2015 12:56AM

I think MS60 made more sense back in the "raw days " when the grades basically went MS60 - MS63 - MS 65. I don't remember
MS61 and 62 being used much before certified coins came around, although they were allowed for. Now MS60 is rarely used since
we have more refinement in the "junk range".

Things are allot easier , as a collector, when one had the ability to evolve with the hobby from a much simpler starting point.

I remember the scene from "Spinal Tap" when the guitar guy explained how his amp went to 11 - which is one louder.

lasvegasteddy · January 17, 2015 1:02AM

one things is apparent too
small anacs loved ms60 to apply on grading seated dimes and half dimes

i've seen that grade assigned more commonly on those back in the day

CMCART · January 17, 2015 1:08AM

I like this MS-60 wit nice VAM

Sonorandesertrat · January 17, 2015 1:52AM

An MS60 coin is a hair away from being deemed Genuine. In other words, 60 is a severe net grade. Such coins are usually difficult to sell.
AU58 classic coins, due to the Registry game, are sought after, and quite liquid in cases where alternatives with similar eye appeal (62 or better) are pricey.

OldEastside · January 17, 2015 2:20AM

About 2 points

Steve

Stuart · January 17, 2015 3:26AM

For the record, some MS-60's have attractive eye appeal, like this one...

1842 Seated Liberty Dollar - NGC MS-60 (Semi-Prooflike)

CMCART · January 17, 2015 3:50AM

And the Redfield - MS-60

Nap · January 17, 2015 5:08AM

MS60 is a grade frequently given by unscrupulous sellers to raw coins that grade AU or less, and are frequently cleaned/polished.

I know that's kind of harsh, but that's what you see at shows.

MS60 can also be a net grade for a truly uncirculated coin with minor damage, or a nearly uncirculated coin with wear on one side.

MS61 is typically a low end (but still can be nice) early 19th century coin, or an unattractive Morgan dollar.

bjamin · February 3, 2015 7:22AM

I rather it be in an au58 holder.......that is if I really cared what was said on the holder........but I don't

DIMEMAN · February 3, 2015 7:38AM

AU58 is a MS65 with light rub.

MS60 is a crappy looking unc.

Explain the difference between the AU58 grade and MS60 to a new but energetic collector.

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